Is there such a thing as too clean?
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Agreed,sounds like "new tank syndrome"
Like the others said do your reasearch.Cycling,ammonia,nitrates nitrites,beneficial bacteria.Theres some subjects to get you started.Read then ask questions.
Then try again.Good luck!
Like the others said do your reasearch.Cycling,ammonia,nitrates nitrites,beneficial bacteria.Theres some subjects to get you started.Read then ask questions.
Then try again.Good luck!
[QUOTE='vspec';429964;0]Thank you P67.
Guys, i thought we stamped out using 'live anything' for the cycle processes years ago. [/QUOTE]
Their fish, throw in a guppy or so if it's a smaller tank and wait till it cycles. Fish should NOT and WILL NOT ever be compared to a human's life. Their fish, I like my fish but their not comparable to a human.
Guys, i thought we stamped out using 'live anything' for the cycle processes years ago. [/QUOTE]
Their fish, throw in a guppy or so if it's a smaller tank and wait till it cycles. Fish should NOT and WILL NOT ever be compared to a human's life. Their fish, I like my fish but their not comparable to a human.
[QUOTE='vspec';429964;0]Thank you P67.
Guys, i thought we stamped out using 'live anything' for the cycle processes years ago. [/QUOTE]
I use fish to cycle tanks all the time. As long as you can do w/cs to keep up with the ammonia/nitrites then it's all gravy............
Guys, i thought we stamped out using 'live anything' for the cycle processes years ago. [/QUOTE]
I use fish to cycle tanks all the time. As long as you can do w/cs to keep up with the ammonia/nitrites then it's all gravy............
If there was old muck in your filters when you put them on it would have poisoned the tank.
Fish for cycling? [sarcasm]Why not?[/sarcasm] The government uses people for drug testing against their will frequently. Remember the syphilis experiment? They just watched people die and recorded what happened, even though they already had the cure. So why fight for fish rights when we don't even have our own yet?
No! Don't use fish for cycling unless you are seeding the tank! It's just cruel and unnecessary.
Fish for cycling? [sarcasm]Why not?[/sarcasm] The government uses people for drug testing against their will frequently. Remember the syphilis experiment? They just watched people die and recorded what happened, even though they already had the cure. So why fight for fish rights when we don't even have our own yet?
No! Don't use fish for cycling unless you are seeding the tank! It's just cruel and unnecessary.
packer43064;4300133; said:
If your looking at the instrument of death & equate that in terms you will understand, then yes...its comparable. Then again, there in lies the answer as to why you do it!
BODYDUB;4300472; said:
If your cycling, & you provide water changes, your effectively diluting your system. Hence replication slows & your in effect, stalling or prolonging your cycle. The fact that your drawing fish across the coals alot longer by subjecting them to your swings. Next question?
knifegill;4300484; said:
I dont even know where to begin on this one!
Guys, kill what we need to for food, & protect the rest. that practise is just unnecessary & babaric, plain & simple. Especially in this day & age. Hell- pee in your tank if you really want to, it'll do the same trick, yet within the boundaries humanity.
Without the OP's participation this thread is a waste.
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If your cycling, & you provide water changes, your effectively diluting your system. Hence replication slows & your in effect, stalling or prolonging your cycle. [/QUOTE]
This is BS, you can cycle a tank just as quickly with .5ppm, even .25ppm of ammonia as you can with 5 ppm of ammonia. More ammonia does not mean a quicker cycle as the bacteria can only grow so fast. As long as there are measurable amounts of ammonia then bacteria are still increasing.
[QUOTE='vspec';430225;9]
If your cycling, & you provide water changes, your effectively diluting your system. Hence replication slows & your in effect, stalling or prolonging your cycle. [/QUOTE]
This is BS, you can cycle a tank just as quickly with .5ppm, even .25ppm of ammonia as you can with 5 ppm of ammonia. More ammonia does not mean a quicker cycle as the bacteria can only grow so fast. As long as there are measurable amounts of ammonia then bacteria are still increasing.
Lets look at it logically. The whole reason why your performing water changes is to drop the levels - that are of a normal chain of events within any given cycle to begin with. Adding something live to the equation to early is the whole reason for the concern am i not mistaken?.
If people just waited till their tank was cycled as nature intended, then half the known issues most people experience from the start are eliminated.
It cant be just me that see's this perspective surely. It also cant be just me that see's we dont need to use anything living to achieve it ether, when there is countless ways to produce the same results without subjecting anything to unnecessary cruelty.
Im no tree hugging hippy ether let me assure you, it purely just defies simple logic.
I also dont contest any percentage of wastes will eventually produce the same results as your suggesting, that is a mathematical certainty.
What im saying is bacteria by their very nature push to outer limits of their own sustainability constantly, only then once the abundant food source diminishes do they deploy what-ever adaptive means of survival, dormancy or cellular death. Having healthy bacterial numbers at the point of recession corresponding with the point we introduce our own constituent load (aka aquatic pets) then the system by logic, is able to convert close to the equivalent load potential it had during the heights of intial cycle.
Now, once again, dont know if its just me, however dilution of the food source when im trying to establish the best means possible to combat whats to come, just doesn't make sense ether. Your creating a ripple effect that can clearly be seen by testers of their systems. So.... my suggestions are to make it nice & juicy by what ever non lethal means, grab a coke & a smile, then after your in the clear by testing zero's across the board, then by all means, rush to the nearest LFS & impulse buy away if thats your thing.
Ok, so im done. & Yes, we kinda got alittle side tracked in relation to the actual thread, however it still doesn't down play a concept that seems to be widely practised. Lets just acknowledge that & focus on the thread topic as you suggested.
If people just waited till their tank was cycled as nature intended, then half the known issues most people experience from the start are eliminated.
It cant be just me that see's this perspective surely. It also cant be just me that see's we dont need to use anything living to achieve it ether, when there is countless ways to produce the same results without subjecting anything to unnecessary cruelty.
Im no tree hugging hippy ether let me assure you, it purely just defies simple logic.
I also dont contest any percentage of wastes will eventually produce the same results as your suggesting, that is a mathematical certainty.
What im saying is bacteria by their very nature push to outer limits of their own sustainability constantly, only then once the abundant food source diminishes do they deploy what-ever adaptive means of survival, dormancy or cellular death. Having healthy bacterial numbers at the point of recession corresponding with the point we introduce our own constituent load (aka aquatic pets) then the system by logic, is able to convert close to the equivalent load potential it had during the heights of intial cycle.
Now, once again, dont know if its just me, however dilution of the food source when im trying to establish the best means possible to combat whats to come, just doesn't make sense ether. Your creating a ripple effect that can clearly be seen by testers of their systems. So.... my suggestions are to make it nice & juicy by what ever non lethal means, grab a coke & a smile, then after your in the clear by testing zero's across the board, then by all means, rush to the nearest LFS & impulse buy away if thats your thing.
Ok, so im done. & Yes, we kinda got alittle side tracked in relation to the actual thread, however it still doesn't down play a concept that seems to be widely practised. Lets just acknowledge that & focus on the thread topic as you suggested.
Their fish. if you think it's barbaric to cycle with some Convict fish then go get the "gas chamber" started. Do a WC for the fish, they'll live and if one dies.....get another. With or without fish,it's everyone's decision to choose which way they do it. I don't feel a bit of guilt cycling with fish. If you don't want to everyone then fine, it's okay to not use fish to cycle.
This thread will get closed either way with your crazy comparison.
This thread will get closed either way with your crazy comparison.
