But, of course, let's not derail here....
This is about a jaguar that has been killed, right? .........
This is about a jaguar that has been killed, right? .........
Jaguar Kills Denver Zoo Keeper!!!
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This is about the loss of life. That girl has probably done a LOT more than you will do in your life in the way of conservation of animals. You should show respect.santoury;721595;721595 said:
I am doing a conservation project of my own!! 
It includes 'Brazilian' Hoplarchus psittacus...yup!! Since you can't get them imported any more, I'm gonna breed them...wahoo!! Score for the wild caught population! Phil is doin it as well! Conservationists UNITE!!
It includes 'Brazilian' Hoplarchus psittacus...yup!! Since you can't get them imported any more, I'm gonna breed them...wahoo!! Score for the wild caught population! Phil is doin it as well! Conservationists UNITE!! I am sorry if I have upset some of you. I was just trying to express my opinion that there are two losses of life here, not just the girl's, and that I feel for both of them, even though I feel one of them made a mistake.
Wldfya - I would appreciate if you don't make comments about what I may or may not do in my life. We don't know anything about each other's lives.
Wldfya - I would appreciate if you don't make comments about what I may or may not do in my life. We don't know anything about each other's lives.
That's awesome! I'd love to hear more about your project and what an ideal method is for undertaking it on a more - than - hobbyist approach.
This is what I am intending to do with the lungfish collection as well. I'm concerned about overcollecting and the fact that their habitat is deteriorating.
This is what I am intending to do with the lungfish collection as well. I'm concerned about overcollecting and the fact that their habitat is deteriorating.
There are rules for a reason. The big cats aren't safe from human stupidity anywhere.
Zoo officials probe fatal mauling
Denver park to reopen, but feline building to stay shut during investigation
The Associated Press
Updated: 6:42 p.m. CT Feb 25, 2007
DENVER - Officials on Sunday were trying to determine why a zookeeper killed by a jaguar had opened the door to the animals enclosure when zoo policies ban staff members from entering exhibits when big cats are inside.
The Denver Zoos feline exhibits were closed Sunday for the investigation. Zoo officials also were interviewing staff members to determine what happened.
The zookeeper, 27-year-old Ashlee Pfaff, had opened a door leading from a service area into Jorges enclosure on Saturday. A visitor saw the attack from outside the glass enclosure, and his shouts alerted other keepers, zoo spokeswoman Ana Bowie said.
Under zoo policy, staff cannot be in any large cat exhibit when the animal is there.
The 140-pound male jaguar had no history of unusual behavior, Bowie said. Jorge was shot to death by a zoo employee when the animal approached emergency workers trying to save the zookeeper.
One big-cat expert said jaguars are naturally mean and erratic.
They actually are the most unpredictable animal around, said Nick Sculac, director of Big Cats of Serenity Springs, a rescue center 50 miles southwest of Denver.
The zookeeper died at a hospital about 90 minutes after the attack, zoo officials said. The coroner said she died of neck injuries.
Pfaff, who had worked at the zoo for about a year, had undergone regular safety training for the exhibit, shadowed veteran keepers and attended mandatory safety meetings, officials said.
She was an experienced animal keeper, Bowie said. This wasnt like it was her first job working with cats.
The jaguar was about 6 years old and had come to the zoo in March 2005 from the Santa Cruz Zoo in Bolivia, the zoo said. Bowie said a necropsy was planned at the zoos veterinary hospital, but she did not know when.
The zoo added a 16-month-old female jaguar named Caipora in December, and she was to be paired with Jorge when she was old enough, according to the zoo Web site.
A small number of zoo employees undergo frequent training in the use of firearms for such emergencies. Bowie said the zoo has several kinds of firearms and she did not know what type was used to kill the jaguar.
Clayton Freiheit, zoo president and chief executive, issued a written statement saying zoo officials were deeply saddened by the incident. This keeper was a part of our family and we too are grieving the loss of one of our own.
Man who fought mountain lion worsens
70-year-old Calif. mans condition declines following attack by predator
The Associated Press
Updated: 2:20 p.m. CT Jan 28, 2007
SAN FRANCISCO - A Northern California hiker attacked by a mountain lion last week is expected to be airlifted Sunday to a bigger hospital in San Francisco after his condition took turn for the worse this weekend.
A spokesman for Mad River Community Hospital in Arcata said Jim Hamm was rushed into emergency surgery Saturday night, and doctors downgraded him from fair to serious condition. He was back in the intensive care unit on Sunday morning but is awaiting an airlift to San Francisco.
Hospital spokesman Tom Ayotte said relatives requested that more details of Hamms condition not be released. But doctors are always concerned about infections if there is a serious animal bite, Ayotte said.
Were trying to be very proactive and be on top of that situation, he said Sunday.
The 70-year-old Fortuna man first underwent surgery Wednesday after a mountain lion ambushed him at Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park. He and his wife, Nell, were hiking in the park when a female lion pounced on him, scalped him, mauled his face and inflicted other puncture wounds and scratches.
After the attack, game wardens closed the park about 320 miles north of San Francisco and released hounds to track the lion. They shot and killed a pair of lions found near the trail where the attack happened.
The carcasses were flown to a state forensics lab, where researchers identified the female lion as the attacker and confirmed that she did not have rabies.
Although the Hamms are experienced hikers, neither had seen a mountain lion before Jim Hamm was mauled, his wife said last week.
Nell Hamm, 65, said she grabbed a four-inch-wide log and beat the animal with it, but it would not release its hold on her husbands head.
Jim was talking to me all through this, and he said, Ive got a pen in my pocket and get the pen and jab him in the eye, she said last week in an interview with The Associated press. So I got the pen and tried to put it in his eye, but it didnt want to go in as easy as I thought it would.
When the pen bent and became useless, Nell Hamm went back to using the log. The lion eventually let go and, with blood on its snout, stood staring at the woman. She screamed and waved the log until the animal walked away.
The couple walked a quarter-mile to a trail head, where the wife gathered branches to protect them if more lions came around. They waited until a ranger came by and summoned help.
Humans put big cats in cages to protect them, Human gets stupid and gets attacked, big cat dies. Humans create sanctuaries for the big cats, humans invade sancuary and gets attacked, big cats die. Maybe we should just leave them alone in their areas.
Zoo officials probe fatal mauling
Denver park to reopen, but feline building to stay shut during investigation
The Associated Press
Updated: 6:42 p.m. CT Feb 25, 2007
DENVER - Officials on Sunday were trying to determine why a zookeeper killed by a jaguar had opened the door to the animals enclosure when zoo policies ban staff members from entering exhibits when big cats are inside.
The Denver Zoos feline exhibits were closed Sunday for the investigation. Zoo officials also were interviewing staff members to determine what happened.
The zookeeper, 27-year-old Ashlee Pfaff, had opened a door leading from a service area into Jorges enclosure on Saturday. A visitor saw the attack from outside the glass enclosure, and his shouts alerted other keepers, zoo spokeswoman Ana Bowie said.
Under zoo policy, staff cannot be in any large cat exhibit when the animal is there.
The 140-pound male jaguar had no history of unusual behavior, Bowie said. Jorge was shot to death by a zoo employee when the animal approached emergency workers trying to save the zookeeper.
One big-cat expert said jaguars are naturally mean and erratic.
They actually are the most unpredictable animal around, said Nick Sculac, director of Big Cats of Serenity Springs, a rescue center 50 miles southwest of Denver.
The zookeeper died at a hospital about 90 minutes after the attack, zoo officials said. The coroner said she died of neck injuries.
Pfaff, who had worked at the zoo for about a year, had undergone regular safety training for the exhibit, shadowed veteran keepers and attended mandatory safety meetings, officials said.
She was an experienced animal keeper, Bowie said. This wasnt like it was her first job working with cats.
The jaguar was about 6 years old and had come to the zoo in March 2005 from the Santa Cruz Zoo in Bolivia, the zoo said. Bowie said a necropsy was planned at the zoos veterinary hospital, but she did not know when.
The zoo added a 16-month-old female jaguar named Caipora in December, and she was to be paired with Jorge when she was old enough, according to the zoo Web site.
A small number of zoo employees undergo frequent training in the use of firearms for such emergencies. Bowie said the zoo has several kinds of firearms and she did not know what type was used to kill the jaguar.
Clayton Freiheit, zoo president and chief executive, issued a written statement saying zoo officials were deeply saddened by the incident. This keeper was a part of our family and we too are grieving the loss of one of our own.
Man who fought mountain lion worsens
70-year-old Calif. mans condition declines following attack by predator
The Associated Press
Updated: 2:20 p.m. CT Jan 28, 2007
SAN FRANCISCO - A Northern California hiker attacked by a mountain lion last week is expected to be airlifted Sunday to a bigger hospital in San Francisco after his condition took turn for the worse this weekend.
A spokesman for Mad River Community Hospital in Arcata said Jim Hamm was rushed into emergency surgery Saturday night, and doctors downgraded him from fair to serious condition. He was back in the intensive care unit on Sunday morning but is awaiting an airlift to San Francisco.
Hospital spokesman Tom Ayotte said relatives requested that more details of Hamms condition not be released. But doctors are always concerned about infections if there is a serious animal bite, Ayotte said.
Were trying to be very proactive and be on top of that situation, he said Sunday.
The 70-year-old Fortuna man first underwent surgery Wednesday after a mountain lion ambushed him at Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park. He and his wife, Nell, were hiking in the park when a female lion pounced on him, scalped him, mauled his face and inflicted other puncture wounds and scratches.
After the attack, game wardens closed the park about 320 miles north of San Francisco and released hounds to track the lion. They shot and killed a pair of lions found near the trail where the attack happened.
The carcasses were flown to a state forensics lab, where researchers identified the female lion as the attacker and confirmed that she did not have rabies.
Although the Hamms are experienced hikers, neither had seen a mountain lion before Jim Hamm was mauled, his wife said last week.
Nell Hamm, 65, said she grabbed a four-inch-wide log and beat the animal with it, but it would not release its hold on her husbands head.
Jim was talking to me all through this, and he said, Ive got a pen in my pocket and get the pen and jab him in the eye, she said last week in an interview with The Associated press. So I got the pen and tried to put it in his eye, but it didnt want to go in as easy as I thought it would.
When the pen bent and became useless, Nell Hamm went back to using the log. The lion eventually let go and, with blood on its snout, stood staring at the woman. She screamed and waved the log until the animal walked away.
The couple walked a quarter-mile to a trail head, where the wife gathered branches to protect them if more lions came around. They waited until a ranger came by and summoned help.
Humans put big cats in cages to protect them, Human gets stupid and gets attacked, big cat dies. Humans create sanctuaries for the big cats, humans invade sancuary and gets attacked, big cats die. Maybe we should just leave them alone in their areas.
santoury;721625;721625 said:
Your lack of respect for the zookeeper shows a lot about you. More than you may realize. She was working for a breeding project in a zoo, which is definitely not for profit. You are talking about preservation yet think that a human life and a the lives of many fish are not as valuable as one jaguar. Please be respectful to all. If I am wrong please show it, but as I stated, and will stand behind, "That girl has probably done a LOT more than you will do in your life in the way of conservation of animals. You should show respect."
I think you already pointed that out...you don't have to keep diggin up the past...
This thread has really taken a turn for the worse. Really does annoy me how childish people can be about stuff.
This thread has really taken a turn for the worse. Really does annoy me how childish people can be about stuff.
santoury;721594; said:
well I stuck up for Fish Room Plus when you took it upon youself to FLAME him in 5 or however many threads you posted. And in this one I am sticking up for the human life you seem to respect less than the life of a jaguar. your lack of respect of the human life bothers me and I am stating my opinion. I think WildFya is bang on on this thread with pretty much everything he has said so I will not repeat his statements. So if you talking about me then have at it.
