"Japanese style" = "excuse to overstock"?

[Cohazard]

This remark has merit. The eastern style of keeping fish can be different from its western counterparts. Both have its pros and cons ... I am somewhat in the middle because frankly, i am a mixture of both cultures.

All i can say is always give respect to your fellow fish keepers. People might have different styles of keeping fish but that doesnt give them the right to bash or disrespect their fellow hobbyist. A little tolerance and maturity goes a long way. In the end , were all from the same side.. Think about it.

QFT

 

[Nova 8]

I always see the Japstyle tanks a think the fish look great but why stuff in so many. So they like Aros, rays and Dats, why add so many if you have such a small tank, why not keep the levels lower, one aro, two or three dats and rays. Why go overboard? why have fish bumping into each other? Show some restraint, other do, why shouldn't they.
So many times I have seen people stating that an Oscar should have a 55min and a 75 would be better, this is of course for 1 Oscar. Then I see these people who say that an O needs a 55 commenting on how great a Japstyle tank is . If I wanted to do a japstyle 55 with monster filtration with 5-6 Oscars I would get flamed to no end (my brother is sitting next me right now, he does not know much about fish but he is shocked at what I just wrote). So how is putting pbass, aros and dats in a 8x2x2 ok when they cant get from one end to the other without hitting into each other.
I am in no way asking for people to get as close to nature as possible (like that 8x2x2 for a school of neons) but there must be a point at which people stop adding fish to their tanks. How many gallons do these tanks really hold when the fish take up a large % of the room, if you take all the fish out you would probably only have 1/2 if not a 1/3 of the water left, so a 240 is more like a 120.

 

[HiGhTiMeZ]

This remark has merit. The eastern style of keeping fish can be different from its western counterparts. Both have its pros and cons ... I am somewhat in the middle because frankly, i am a mixture of both cultures.

All i can say is always give respect to your fellow fish keepers. People might have different styles of keeping fish but that doesnt give them the right to bash or disrespect their fellow hobbyist. A little tolerance and maturity goes a long way. In the end , were all from the same side.. Think about it.

agree! R-E-S-T-E-C-P-A

 

[thecoolguy]

couple things:

"overfiltered": means something TOTALLY different in asia - in america we see overfiltered as a couple fx5's and a w/d - in china/japan, overfiltered is a w/d bigger than most of our main show tanks.....

"water quality": we do tests and check parameters - asians in general get CRAZY about frequent water changes - i am talking 20-40% every day or every other day

"well-being": they are fish, no matter how much we think we are doing for them, enjoy watching them grow and color up - we have NO IDEA what they are going through in an aquaria setting....

my opinion on "j style" (done the right way) is that it works - works for the owner and for the fish ---- they appear "healthy" according to any fish keepers definition - and the owner is pleased and in return, treats his fish well

no flaming here - everyone is entitled to their own views -

 

[santoury]

Yeah - thecoolguy basically said what I'm thinking, as well. If everybody involved (us, and fish) are happy and healthy, then so be it. Like I said, I've never seen an unhealthy fish in a jap style tank, including mine

 

[Miguel]

couple things:

"overfiltered": means something TOTALLY different in asia - in america we see overfiltered as a couple fx5's and a w/d - in china/japan, overfiltered is a w/d bigger than most of our main show tanks.....

"water quality": we do tests and check parameters - asians in general get CRAZY about frequent water changes - i am talking 20-40% every day or every other day

"well-being": they are fish, no matter how much we think we are doing for them, enjoy watching them grow and color up - we have NO IDEA what they are going through in an aquaria setting....

my opinion on "j style" (done the right way) is that it works - works for the owner and for the fish ---- they appear "healthy" according to any fish keepers definition - and the owner is pleased and in return, treats his fish well

no flaming here - everyone is entitled to their own views -

This guy said it all, straight, to the point, without frills.

 

[señor_pescados_felices]

All i can say is always give respect to your fellow fish keepers.

I agree for the most part, yet some fish keepers deserve little to no respect IMO,ones who we have seen cram horrible things in 10 gallons,or make mini monster 29 gallons with fish that don't stay mini and they know it,people who admittedly have a huge tank but have a fish almost as big (like an araipama) that can't turn around...all these fish keepers do not deserve my respect,if others want to give them their respect that's their decision.

But those cases aside I still respect most fish keepers who have Japanese style tanks, but I do not respect any fish keepers decision to grossly overstock a tank of any size.If not respecting a decision an aquarist makes in his fish keeping is the same as disrespecting them outright then so be it,but that would be a rather obscure way of looking at it.

Now let me clarify the tanks I speak of which I am offended at the site of,let me clarify what I am calling Grossly overstocked tanks

-when someone has a tank thats around the acceptable minimum size for a single specimen of a certain species,so they go and stick 10 in there instead

-when someone has 10 fish of a certain species that grow to be 3-5 feet long and their tank is 2 or maybe 3 feet wide maximum and they aren't planning on upgrading.

-when someone has a very large tank and their fish can turn around without hitting the glass but not without hitting each other.

all pretty bad things IMO

I've never seen an unhealthy fish in a jap style tank, including mine

havn't looked into it, but I what I have seen are fish that pushing as long as the tank is wide and they aren't even half done growing yet,and to top it off theres 10 or 15 in there.

 

[Fabio's Dad]

I think that housing that many inhabitants in that small of area does not show ignorance, but expertise. We all are have times when we are proud of our accomplishments or talents, regardless of the green house effect or the technology needed for the next mission to mars. Plain and simple, we are proud of ourselves. Self pride is a driving force in many things we do. It's stupid for me to fight in tournaments because I get somethig broke every time, but just having the guts to be a white belt and go toe to toe with a 3rd degree black belt in Taikwondo who happens to be a brown belt in Kyokushin is something I'm proud of doing. I'll never do it again because, well, it hurt! Sometimes the reason is much deeper or just different than what it seems. Although, as far as the fight goes, there may have been a small morsel of psychosis! Know what I mean?

 

[Fabio's Dad]

I'm not arguing for Japanese style tanks, just pointing out the existance of a different point of view.

 

[Miguel]

Now let me clarify the tanks I speak of which I am offended at the site of,let me clarify what I am calling Grossly overstocked tanks

-when someone has a tank thats around the acceptable minimum size for a single specimen of a certain species,so they go and stick 10 in there instead

-when someone has 10 fish of a certain species that grow to be 3-5 feet long and their tank is 2 or maybe 3 feet wide maximum and they aren't planning on upgrading.

-when someone has a very large tank and their fish can turn around without hitting the glass but not without hitting each other.

all pretty bad things IMO

So my tank is an awfull tank to you Senor, since it clearly fits in your 2nd item above..