natural? well.. in nature that cat would have had a chance to actually get away instead of getting eaten bit by bit for hours? you let your cat, feeder or not, suffer for an unnecessarily long time imo.. and don't get me wrong, I'm no "tree huger" (immature and seriously retarded thing to say anyway since the debate probably would be another if there was a dog being tortured?) I can understand and enjoy my fish hunting but this is just irresponsible..
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ettfettbranamn;2472364; said:
In nature, none of the fishes we keep will be in our home aquariums.
Also, the point is what the rhom did is natural to the rhom, not about the feeder.
If you feel bad for a feeder that suffered couple days before death then why don't you feel bad for the fish you love being kept in a "glass prison" for the rest of its life? how do you know the fish wasn't suffering? life time seems pretty long to me.
In nature the cat fish could get away unharmed or could get away with injury, then suffer from baterial infection and die even slower.
jp80911;2472413; said:
that argument is invalid and irrelevant. we as fish keepers keep fish (MFK?) and rhoms kill fish, but as fish keepers you should maybe have the good sense to see what is cruel and what is not.
you seem to like the word "feeder" just hypothetically and philosophically say the WW2 germans called "other races" feeders instead of "jews"/"gypsies"/etc would that make it right to put people in camps? and where do you draw the line when its cruel to keep fish? is it cruel to have a pack of neons in arapaimaguys tank? these are ofcourse also irrelevant arguments but you see what I mean...........
I am by the way the guy mentioned above who has the half clown knife.
you put that fish in the position and wasn't responsible enough to kill it/try to save it. if your p had to eat it why didn't you take it up, kill it, and then feed it. wellwell.. all fish are good fish and so is your rhom.. but this is what give piranhas a bad rep..
ettfettbranamn;2472443; said:
Taking fish out from the wild and keep them in fish tanks is the same as taking jews/gypsies from their home and keep them in camps. they are all inprisoned against their will by the ones think they are the higher being. how they are treated are different but you should get my point.
Keeping fish in fish tank is cruel to the fish, espeically for the monster fishes we keep. Most of us cannot provide a environment anywhere near to their natural habitat, especially size wise. How can you say that's not cruel to the fish? It's same for keeping wild animals in the zoo. I'm just as guilty as all of us, other wise I won't be keeping my rhom.
I'm just pointing something not all of us want to hear as we love to keep something exoctic for our own pleasure, including wild animals/fish/birds. Won't that be some form of cruelty to them by removing them from their "home"? Imagine this, if some alien life form come to earth and kidnaps you then take you to their homeplanet and keep you in big cage as pet, keep you well fed and all, how would you feel?
Since the damage is already done, I personally prefer to provide an environment as close to the natural babitat as possible within my ability, including food. (I do feed prepared food most of the time since I don't have resource of offering everyday)
To me, the fish I keep is my highest priority and don't care much about the rest. You may not agree but if you think killing a prey fish before feeding it to the fish you keep makes you less cruel, that's cool. I'm just some random guy trying to do something to keep the fish I kept "inprison" happy.
as for what gives piranha the bad rep, that has nothing to do with this. what gave piranha the bad rep is the media broadcasts the incorrect image of piranha and the general public lacks of the proper education regarding piranhas. If piranha owners share what their fishes are capable of on a piranha forum would give them bad rep, then I don't know what to say.
I basically agree apart from the media broadcasting and that depends on where you live I imagine..
and your undertone of freedom alien-speech didn't quite stick since that is basically how we are already are considering all the social norms and restrictions of laws in a way (call me an anarchist or just a non-utilitarian) and individual freedom is just calculation of risks in a society with a number of member surpassing "X". but absolutely, it is cruel to keep fish in general.
I don't think what you did was/is right but my "mouth" only reflects my personal opinions and to be strictly honest I think most piranha keepers are *imagine the f-word" morons since almost everything you find on say Youtube are feeding vids that have nothing to do with the p's being fed nutrition wise but all to do with some sadistic little piece of *you know this word to* taking pleasure out of a life being slowly taken. I guess you can see where I'm coming from in this issue..
I did mean no offence or disrespect to you as a person (just the act of not killing the cat right away) guess it was cool somehow (???) and you honestly don't sound like stupid person so I'll leave your thread alone and wish you the best of luck with your fish until we stumble upon each others threads again!
and your undertone of freedom alien-speech didn't quite stick since that is basically how we are already are considering all the social norms and restrictions of laws in a way (call me an anarchist or just a non-utilitarian) and individual freedom is just calculation of risks in a society with a number of member surpassing "X". but absolutely, it is cruel to keep fish in general.
I don't think what you did was/is right but my "mouth" only reflects my personal opinions and to be strictly honest I think most piranha keepers are *imagine the f-word" morons since almost everything you find on say Youtube are feeding vids that have nothing to do with the p's being fed nutrition wise but all to do with some sadistic little piece of *you know this word to* taking pleasure out of a life being slowly taken. I guess you can see where I'm coming from in this issue..
I did mean no offence or disrespect to you as a person (just the act of not killing the cat right away) guess it was cool somehow (???) and you honestly don't sound like stupid person so I'll leave your thread alone and wish you the best of luck with your fish until we stumble upon each others threads again!
You tell the story like the catfish was apet not a feeder then defend it's senseless horrible death by calling it a feeder later after getting called on you irresponsible actions. Calling it a feeder after the fact is BS. Which is further evidenced by you posting pictures of the catfish's remains ina look isnt this cool fashion. If one of my fish dipatches a feeder but doesnt eat all of it I chuck the remains in the trash or the toilet sometimes even the garden, but never do I post pics like its something cool.
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