Just lost 2 discus

[magpie]

They are sensitive to a tank that is not established fully or maintained enough. They're not forgiving for someone who doesn't keep up on the tank or is just starting a new tank - they do need stability.

If you get small (aka more affordable) fish you need to feed more and do more water changes due to that. From what I've read, they recommend new to discus people starting with larger fish, like 4-5" if I recall correctly. Then you can just feed 1x/day and do something like a 50% water change weekly. Some still do more water changes than that, though. It's sort of a see how the water parameters do and be prepared to increase WC if they start to deteriorate.

The "Simplydiscus" forum is a great resource, like this forum.

 

[kewpiefishypewpie]

I hate to say this but it needs to be said.

You don't have a clue of what you are doing and you need to take the time and read through some material.

Studying the nitrogen cycle, appropriate diet, tank size, temp, tank mates for your fish. Also look at things like TDs, hardness, ph, and kh.

Research quality filters and heaters and see why some are better than others. Look into different foods and what ingredients are important and needed vs fillers.

Your attempting to keep a fish that many hobbiest don't dare to tackle because of sensitivity and cost. But you haven't the slightest clue on how to care for them. It's a very blatant disregard for the life of the fish.

Bringing these beautiful animals into our homes demands a level of care and respect. It also means that as a pet owner you need to do your research BEFORE you purchase your new pets. I feel bad for the life that you have taken and hope that you can learn QUICKLY from your mistakes as to avoid this animal abuse in the future.

Good luck to you.

I will offer my advice, but only after you have taken some initiative and come ask smart questions that show you have a certain level of understanding. Feel free to use theany videos and website available to you at a clock of a button to do some research.

Is your advice really that good to begin with? People make mistakes and your really jumping down this guys throat for no reason. I'm experienced but I'm also a human being that makes mistakes. Honestly your holier than thou mentality is unnecessary.

Or you could just go wonder why you're having aggression issues in your 75 gallon tank with a pair of Green Terrors again.

Here's an example of an actual helpful comment if you need reference:

They are sensitive to a tank that is not established fully or maintained enough. They're not forgiving for someone who doesn't keep up on the tank or is just starting a new tank - they do need stability.

If you get small (aka more affordable) fish you need to feed more and do more water changes due to that. From what I've read, they recommend new to discus people starting with larger fish, like 4-5" if I recall correctly. Then you can just feed 1x/day and do something like a 50% water change weekly. Some still do more water changes than that, though. It's sort of a see how the water parameters do and be prepared to increase WC if they start to deteriorate.

The "Simplydiscus" forum is a great resource, like this forum.

 

[duanes]

I agree with the others, the tank is not cycled, and it would be hard to keep even a guppy alive, (much less discus) under those toxic conditions.
I would suggest large % daily water changes until the tank is cycled to keep the 2 remaining survivors alive. I am surprised there are any survivors, under high ammonia conditions.
If they die, you should re-start with some cheap, hardy fish to finish cycling, and then (and only then) add discus when conditions are ideal.
I also agree discus are very challenging, unless you have years of experience fish keeping.

 

[philipraposo1982]

Is your advice really that good to begin with? People make mistakes and your really jumping down this guys throat for no reason. I'm experienced but I'm also a human being that makes mistakes. Honestly your holier than thou mentality is unnecessary.

Or you could just go wonder why you're having aggression issues in your 75 gallon tank with a pair of Green Terrors again.

Here's an example of an actual helpful comment if you need reference:

They are sensitive to a tank that is not established fully or maintained enough. They're not forgiving for someone who doesn't keep up on the tank or is just starting a new tank - they do need stability.

If you get small (aka more affordable) fish you need to feed more and do more water changes due to that. From what I've read, they recommend new to discus people starting with larger fish, like 4-5" if I recall correctly. Then you can just feed 1x/day and do something like a 50% water change weekly. Some still do more water changes than that, though. It's sort of a see how the water parameters do and be prepared to increase WC if they start to deteriorate.

The "Simplydiscus" forum is a great resource, like this forum.

its about time we (humans) live up to our potential and treat other life on this planet with the respect they deserve. If we are rolling back time and looking 50 years ago I would have responded differently. But there is no excuses anymore, at least not in this situation. I don't think I am being harsh at all, just honest.

I won't apologize but I do respect and listen to others opinions.

I like how you try and use my previous situation which was immediately resolved with no hard to life and compare it to this where he has killed fish.

keeping 3" pair of GT in a 75 gallon that is well established knowing all the risks is far different than this. Its for that reason I won't even entertain your ridiculous comment as anything more than forum trolling.

 

[skjl47]

jumping down this guys throat for no reason. I'm experienced but I'm also a human being that makes mistakes. Honestly your holier than thou mentality is unnecessary.

hello; I tend to agree with you on this. While the OP seems to have made an error due to not having up to date information about "cycling" and not understanding how sensitive the Discus fish are, the error was not made to be cruel. I feel it is more useful to try to help someone cure a problem. Jumping down someone's throat may have the effect of turning a person away from a source of needed help.

I have been keeping fish over 50 years and have avoided the discus fish for fear I cannot supply the needed conditions. It has been my understanding that frequent massive water changes use to be considered a must. I may go to the simply discus site for a review.

To the OP, I have made many mistakes over the years. Try to glean the useful information from fish forums and web sites. Sorry you are having troubles.

 

[kewpiefishypewpie]

its about time we (humans) live up to our potential and treat other life on this planet with the respect they deserve. If we are rolling back time and looking 50 years ago I would have responded differently. But there is no excuses anymore, at least not in this situation. I don't think I am being harsh at all, just honest.

I won't apologize but I do respect and listen to others opinions.

I like how you try and use my previous situation which was immediately resolved with no hard to life and compare it to this where he has killed fish.

keeping 3" pair of GT in a 75 gallon that is well established knowing all the risks is far different than this. Its for that reason I won't even entertain your ridiculous comment as anything more than forum trolling.

It certainly sounds like you're entertaining it. You mind as well have trolled the OP, you understand that right? You have an elitist attitude while adding little to the discussion. We all take different roads to get to where we are and you seem to think your path is paved in gold. The OP came on here asking for advice, did he not? He's making an effort.

 

[flukekiller]

If they are captive bred then they aren't that hard to keep... first things first.. learn about how to cycle a tank.. since you have already gotten the fish and they are in the tank the cycle will take longer.... since you already have fish I would do 50% daily water changes and if the discus are 4 inches or bigger reduce feeding to 1x a day or even every other day. Ammonia will wreak havoc on your fish so I would also suggest sechems stability. It does not get rid of ammonia but it detoxifies it. This will be a temporary fix until the tank has cycled.once you have this all under control let us know and I will be glad to give you any knowledge I have/used myself.

Here is one of my discus I raised from 2.5 inches in hard water with high ph. He is easily bigger than my hand... granted my conditions are not ideal but it can work.

 

[flukekiller]

Ps.. long time fishkeepers are "scared" ofor discus but they really are not that hard. Captive bred discus have come a long way in the last 20 years... like someone said earlier if you want discus but are nervous, start out with adults as long as you have the cash to spend. Starting with juvies is a whole other ballgame. That's where feedings, water changes and other things make it difficult

 

[FMA4ME]

Discus like to be in bigger groups, 5-7 At least. Up your water changes, also 77 is too cool for your young Discus, bump it up to around 82 to start.

 

[FreshyFresh]

Pretty sure we scared the OP off after page 1. OP, don't feel bad. We've all been through it. I'd feed lightly and only 3-5x week, plus do 50% daily WCs until the tank shows nothing but nitrates.