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Well i feel that everything stated that needed to has been said i just need too say 2 things. There might be the occasional anaconda here or there but there is no established population. The established population has to do with the pythons. Now i am saying this as i am a floridian and i have trudged through the swampy areas of the evergaldes many times and have even helped removing the invasive species and i am even going back here in a month or so to go camping there (just for fun this time :)). Another thing it is KOMODO NOT KOMOTO.

Exactly. I am not saying that they should go without regulation- I am all for getting a permit system in place, but the permit needs to be accessible to those who show interest and are responsible enough to do it.

Above thought is exactly how i think it should happen.
 
Ok, I think I need to put my own input in this question. First I think the woule question of people are irresponsable thing is currently being aproached in the wrong but easiest way, that is by banning it all together. My opinion is that if you arent responsible enough you shouldnt be able to buy a hamster let alone something like a pacu. I think a good way to deal with this would be for people having to take something like a corse in the specific animal husbandry, with a certificate given and that certificate present in the moment of purchase. Also I think that for big species and this in my opinion starts in medium dogs people should be needed to have a small inspection of their facilities, nothing big, just to make shure the space is available. Of course this would be something dificult to implement. Also I think pet stores should not carry many of the animals they normally have unless they were breeders as well. Many animals should only be obtainable true speciality sources like breeders, importers and zoos (and yes, zoos should defenetly open to the private sector, they are here in Europe and both parts greatly benefict from it). AND pet shop dealers in order for their bussigness to be allowed to open should need to have a complete animal husbandry degree (most here are complete knucle heads).
Of course this would create a huge wave of protests amoung pet shop owners, many purchases would really drop, but hey we would make a really good step up in animal well being. Pacus are easily bred in zoos, however they are not in most domestic tanks, so the problem of them being present in the wrong hands wille still being available to the good guys would easily be solved.
Now komodos, I think if we can implement one day something like this, komodos would easily fit in. Dont forget THERE ARE komodos kept privatly in Europe and in South East Asia as well and you dont hear on the news people being eaten by captive ones! As for dangerous animals I really think that Great Britain sistem for the ownership of dangerous wild animals its one of the better one. THERE ARE GUYS WITH TIGERS, LIONS, RHINOS and BEARS IN THERE, all animals much more dangerous then komodos. I mean a 2m high plexiglass fence without any holding points contains a komodo. And for a species so endangered that could be a really good step foard in their long term conservation. And of course, no, under no circunstances should this species be kept privatly without any permit, inspection and training sistem. And that should go as well for all big boids, varanids, crocs, etc... That would make so much more sence then banning species, that is the wrong easy way out.
In a very resumed awnser, I think the woule pet world needs to implement a new sistem that allows the ownership to the rigth people wille at the same time avoiding irresponsable ones from having acess to the animals. At the moment if you ask me some people should not had acess to many animals currently kept. But once this change takes place, it doesant really matter, you can keep practicly all if you work for it and have the means.
 
piggy67;4468322; said:
Even if it were legal to own a Komoto, you would need huge resources to keep it and as we all know, WILD animals are WILD, even when raised from babies. These guys can and will kill a human. They should never be allowed into the public sector as pets. Much like the pacu, they simply get to big for most ppl to care for properly and eventually some idiot will get ate by their "pet" komoto...Legalization will never happen....
Can you please tell why some people keep things much more dangerous then komodos like lions, tigers and black manbas over the corse of many years without anybody being killed? Its all about resources, dedication and experience of the keeper. Of corse komodos should never be a easy purchase pet and even if available they should never be considred a pet at all.
 
snakeguy101;4468326; said:
Then what about things like the water monitor that actually grow larger than the komodo? or the croc monitor that is also quite large but with a temper from hell? Both of these are kept by the private sector and are totally legal even without permits. You mentioned that Pacus cannot be kept by most people but what about those on this site that can and do keep pacus in nice large tanks and who are not most people?
Actually I think none of those species should be available without a animal care degree and a facility inspection ,nothing big, just to be shure.
 
latshki;4468442; said:
so why not set up a system where you could work for a permit and could only sell to others with permits, it wouldn't be perfect but what is? it would allow genes to be shared and for them not to become muddy and useless

Actually that is how Cyclura is traded in Europe and it does work very well! Even zoos interchange animals with the private sector and that is something you guys should really think about doing.

look at rhino igs
there are hundreds in the states, few in dominican and some in europe
those populations genes are soon to become filled with inbred hicks of the reptile world unless someone transfers and trades some animals to allow for the genes to be healthy
the ones in the states are already dirty due to sloppy breeding and hybridizing
so why should it continue when we have the animals to make this a healthy population of pure animals
There are thousads of Cyclura cornuta in Europe, in the States and in the wild alike. The ones in the States represent the most diverse captive population and they are hardly inbreeding. Also only Cyclura nubila is hybridizing with Cyclura lewisi and the hybrids are fertile and of completly normal health. The hibrid offspring of high lewisi persentage is called american lewisi and who knows some day it may be the start of a new lineage. Overall Cyclura cornuta, Cyclura nubila and hybrid/integrated lineage of nubila/caymanensis/nubila are doing great in captive populations. Other Cyclura species held privatly are a diferent matter, they rank in very low numbers and far between. They would cernatly benefict from the inclusion of the ones held in zoos.
 
coura;4469365; said:
Can you please tell why some people keep things much more dangerous then komodos like lions, tigers and black manbas over the corse of many years without anybody being killed? Its all about resources, dedication and experience of the keeper. Of corse komodos should never be a easy purchase pet and even if available they should never be considred a pet at all.

YEP, LUCK!!!!!
 
coura;4469367; said:
Actually I think none of those species should be available without a animal care degree and a facility inspection ,nothing big, just to be shure.

Like I said, I don't mind permits so long as they can be obtained.
 
Etunes;4469119; said:
Well i feel that everything stated that needed to has been said i just need too say 2 things. There might be the occasional anaconda here or there but there is no established population. The established population has to do with the pythons. Now i am saying this as i am a floridian and i have trudged through the swampy areas of the evergaldes many times and have even helped removing the invasive species and i am even going back here in a month or so to go camping there (just for fun this time :)). Another thing it is KOMODO NOT KOMOTO.



Above thought is exactly how i think it should happen.

Why do ppl post without fully reading the thread? The spelling has already been corrected thanks...KOMODO
 
coura;4469342; said:
Ok, I think I need to put my own input in this question. First I think the woule question of people are irresponsable thing is currently being aproached in the wrong but easiest way, that is by banning it all together. My opinion is that if you arent responsible enough you shouldnt be able to buy a hamster let alone something like a pacu. I think a good way to deal with this would be for people having to take something like a corse in the specific animal husbandry, with a certificate given and that certificate present in the moment of purchase. Also I think that for big species and this in my opinion starts in medium dogs people should be needed to have a small inspection of their facilities, nothing big, just to make shure the space is available. Of course this would be something dificult to implement. Also I think pet stores should not carry many of the animals they normally have unless they were breeders as well. Many animals should only be obtainable true speciality sources like breeders, importers and zoos (and yes, zoos should defenetly open to the private sector, they are here in Europe and both parts greatly benefict from it). AND pet shop dealers in order for their bussigness to be allowed to open should need to have a complete animal husbandry degree (most here are complete knucle heads).
Of course this would create a huge wave of protests amoung pet shop owners, many purchases would really drop, but hey we would make a really good step up in animal well being. Pacus are easily bred in zoos, however they are not in most domestic tanks, so the problem of them being present in the wrong hands wille still being available to the good guys would easily be solved.
Now komodos, I think if we can implement one day something like this, komodos would easily fit in. Dont forget THERE ARE komodos kept privatly in Europe and in South East Asia as well and you dont hear on the news people being eaten by captive ones! As for dangerous animals I really think that Great Britain sistem for the ownership of dangerous wild animals its one of the better one. THERE ARE GUYS WITH TIGERS, LIONS, RHINOS and BEARS IN THERE, all animals much more dangerous then komodos. I mean a 2m high plexiglass fence without any holding points contains a komodo. And for a species so endangered that could be a really good step foard in their long term conservation. And of course, no, under no circunstances should this species be kept privatly without any permit, inspection and training sistem. And that should go as well for all big boids, varanids, crocs, etc... That would make so much more sence then banning species, that is the wrong easy way out.
In a very resumed awnser, I think the woule pet world needs to implement a new sistem that allows the ownership to the rigth people wille at the same time avoiding irresponsable ones from having acess to the animals. At the moment if you ask me some people should not had acess to many animals currently kept. But once this change takes place, it doesant really matter, you can keep practicly all if you work for it and have the means.
that sounds like something out of a dream, hopefully one day it will become a reality. but with the direction the US gov't is going now it is highly unlikely it will ever happen
 
piggy67;4469408; said:
Why do ppl post without fully reading the thread? The spelling has already been corrected thanks...KOMODO

Sorry about that, spelling errors awlays bug me and now that i look back i see it was. Sorry about that. But what does that have to do with the highlighted red text in the quote? :confused:
 
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