L046 pleco setup

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If u have lots of hiding places u can keep like 10. I have a lot in a 50g and I rarely see more than 6 at a time. But I have lots of driftwoods for them to hide in. No aggression or fighting
50g is a pretty large tank haha

10 might be pushing it in a 20g I think...that’s about 2g per fish and might be a high maintenance tank. I also don’t want snub nose fish...I haven’t really researched it but I would assume it’s from over stocking and poor water quality
 
50g is a pretty large tank haha

10 might be pushing it in a 20g I think...that’s about 2g per fish and might be a high maintenance tank. I also don’t want snub nose fish...I haven’t really researched it but I would assume it’s from over stocking and poor water quality

From my understanding stubnose is caused by genetics or something about water quality where it makes the egg shell harder to break for the fry, or from parents pushing the fries against the wall. Snd or from injuries. I dont think the pleco can all of a sudden get stubnose from water quality if its normal.. But It's a controversial topic.
 
From my understanding stubnose is caused by genetics or something about water quality where it makes the egg shell harder to break for the fry, or from parents pushing the fries against the wall. Snd or from injuries. I dont think the pleco can all of a sudden get stubnose from water quality if its normal.. But It's a controversial topic.
I think you are right. I dont think he all of a sudden wakes up with a stubby nose.
 
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From my understanding stubnose is caused by genetics or something about water quality where it makes the egg shell harder to break for the fry, or from parents pushing the fries against the wall. Snd or from injuries. I dont think the pleco can all of a sudden get stubnose from water quality if its normal.. But It's a controversial topic.
Oh I actually do remember reading something about in hard water the eggs are difficult to get out of.

I’m not well versed in them yet as I’m pretty far away from getting them (4-6 months away yet).

I’m just wondering at this stage how many to purchase and keep in a group. Trying to figure out how much money I will be spending. Maybe start looking for some local suppliers.

I’m noticing the ones available near me have either crooked lines, some with spots, I’m not seeing many that have straight lines. Not really sure if I’ll find what I’m looking for locally...I also won’t be purchasing the fish without looking at the actual fish to be purchased.
 
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Oh I actually do remember reading something about in hard water the eggs are difficult to get out of.

I’m not well versed in them yet as I’m pretty far away from getting them (4-6 months away yet).

I’m just wondering at this stage how many to purchase and keep in a group. Trying to figure out how much money I will be spending. Maybe start looking for some local suppliers.

I’m noticing the ones available near me have either crooked lines, some with spots, I’m not seeing many that have straight lines. Not really sure if I’ll find what I’m looking for locally...I also won’t be purchasing the fish without looking at the actual fish to be purchased.

I have fairly hard water and have had very few fry with stub noses. I have no clue what causes it but it seems environmental as I’ve been told it’s not hereditary and the trait won’t be passed on. I hear in Europe they collect them as a novelty.

As for breeding, unless you know someone, typically, no one offers up females unless they are very old. You’d have a better chance getting both sexes by growing out fry. It’ll take a while until they are breeding size and you’re bound to lose some along the way so you should buy more than you plan to keep. At least that’s been my experience...good luck
 
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I have fairly hard water and have had very few fry with stub noses. I have no clue what causes it but it seems environmental as I’ve been told it’s not hereditary and the trait won’t be passed on. I hear in Europe they collect them as a novelty.

As for breeding, unless you know someone, typically, no one offers up females unless they are very old. You’d have a better chance getting both sexes by growing out fry. It’ll take a while until they are breeding size and you’re bound to lose some along the way so you should buy more than you plan to keep. At least that’s been my experience...good luck
That I didn’t think about. I do plan to go the long haul and buy young ones. But I never considered losing some haha. I think I’ll start with a group of 8.
 
I’m getting ahead of myself now.

picked up my first zebra today....the tank is on order and the stand isn’t started yet!!!
This guy became available today so I jumped at the opportunity. He will be living in my 60g until his tank is ready to go! He is on drip acclimatization right now.
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I started spawning zebras in 2006. I still keep a bunch but am not spawning them much because i am working with other species. However, the ideal ratio re sex is a reverse trio- 2 males and 1 female. A female takes about two weeks to be able to provide eggs again. But the male needs roughly 4 weeks from the time he fertilizes the eggs to the time he boots free swimming fry out of the cave.

I am one who works with colonies rather than pairs or reverse trios. I will have at least 7 and as many as 15 plecos in a brreding setup. (I do have one tank with over 20 but it is an exception). It is important to understand that females establish a pecking order just like the males. Nature works to encourage mating between the strongest individuals. So only the top females will get a chance to spawn with the top males.

This also can lead to a downside. Most dads will try to sneak out of the cave to grab something to eat now and then. They cannot go 4 weeks without eating. Sometimes a lesser female will take that opportunity to dash into the cave and eat eggs or wigglers. While raising newborns, a dad wont allow a female into the cave. He will not spawn with another gal until the kids are out. (Sometimes an initial spawn will have a second female enter the cave almost immediate;ly and the male may spawn with her as well. But this is a rarity. I have only read about it but never experienced it.)

Next, most zebra breeders will tell you that the fry grow faster when in the breeding tank than they do in a grow tank. I have come to believe some of this is due to the fact that the babies lack some needed gut bacteria and that they obtain from eating a bit of poop from more mature fish. I cannot prove this or find science to back it up. But when I need to use a grow tank for newborn zebras, I move a bit of adult poop into the tank as well. However, I also keep a mix of different sized fish in most grow tanks. As a result there will always be "mature" poop available to new additions should it ne needed.

Finally, how to setup a breeding tank can be done in various ways, it depends on one's preferences and available space. If one is going to have multiple size fish in a zebra tank, you should also have multiple sized hiding places. Fry want to hide where bigger fish cannot fit. So a breeding cave is useless. A crevice in driftwood or tucked under a rock is their preference. And because the bigger fish will fish, and males might do so to the death, they too need good places to hide. Normally such fights end with the lose running away and hiding where the winner can't see it. Without the ability to do this, it may be relentlessly pursued.
So breaking up lines of sight help with this. The more crowded a tank, the more cover there should be.

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One last observation. I had 13 breeder zebras in a 30 gal. breeder tank. 36x18x12 inches. My first fry hunt I removed 53 offspring from the tank. i hade already moved out about 15 from a plumbing issue and I would find the fry inside a H.O.T. Magnum. I also pulled a caves with a dad on eggs because i knew I had too many fry. That tank produced about 500 zebras over a 4 year span. Only two males spawned out of the 13 fish. OK, one time a 3rd male went and I had 3 spawns at the same time in different stages. This never happened again.

If you need help, feel free to shoot me a PM. I am retired and generally answer pretty fast.
 
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