L046 pleco setup

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I started spawning zebras in 2006. I still keep a bunch but am not spawning them much because i am working with other species. However, the ideal ratio re sex is a reverse trio- 2 males and 1 female. A female takes about two weeks to be able to provide eggs again. But the male needs roughly 4 weeks from the time he fertilizes the eggs to the time he boots free swimming fry out of the cave.

I am one who works with colonies rather than pairs or reverse trios. I will have at least 7 and as many as 15 plecos in a brreding setup. (I do have one tank with over 20 but it is an exception). It is important to understand that females establish a pecking order just like the males. Nature works to encourage mating between the strongest individuals. So only the top females will get a chance to spawn with the top males.

This also can lead to a downside. Most dads will try to sneak out of the cave to grab something to eat now and then. They cannot go 4 weeks without eating. Sometimes a lesser female will take that opportunity to dash into the cave and eat eggs or wigglers. While raising newborns, a dad wont allow a female into the cave. He will not spawn with another gal until the kids are out. (Sometimes an initial spawn will have a second female enter the cave almost immediate;ly and the male may spawn with her as well. But this is a rarity. I have only read about it but never experienced it.)

Next, most zebra breeders will tell you that the fry grow faster when in the breeding tank than they do in a grow tank. I have come to believe some of this is due to the fact that the babies lack some needed gut bacteria and that they obtain from eating a bit of poop from more mature fish. I cannot prove this or find science to back it up. But when I need to use a grow tank for newborn zebras, I move a bit of adult poop into the tank as well. However, I also keep a mix of different sized fish in most grow tanks. As a result there will always be "mature" poop available to new additions should it ne needed.

Finally, how to setup a breeding tank can be done in various ways, it depends on one's preferences and available space. If one is going to have multiple size fish in a zebra tank, you should also have multiple sized hiding places. Fry want to hide where bigger fish cannot fit. So a breeding cave is useless. A crevice in driftwood or tucked under a rock is their preference. And because the bigger fish will fish, and males might do so to the death, they too need good places to hide. Normally such fights end with the lose running away and hiding where the winner can't see it. Without the ability to do this, it may be relentlessly pursued.
So breaking up lines of sight help with this. The more crowded a tank, the more cover there should be.

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One last observation. I had 13 breeder zebras in a 30 gal. breeder tank. 36x18x12 inches. My first fry hunt I removed 53 offspring from the tank. i hade already moved out about 15 from a plumbing issue and I would find the fry inside a H.O.T. Magnum. I also pulled a caves with a dad on eggs because i knew I had too many fry. That tank produced about 500 zebras over a 4 year span. Only two males spawned out of the 13 fish. OK, one time a 3rd male went and I had 3 spawns at the same time in different stages. This never happened again.

If you need help, feel free to shoot me a PM. I am retired and generally answer pretty fast.
This is all great information! Thank you.
I do plan to setup a biotope tank for them with lots of rocks. The only thing I’m hesitant about in this type of tank is not being able to remove the rocks all the time to get crud that builds up in between.
Also still researching what kind of flow to create in the tank. Do you know how much flor I should be aiming for? I’m new to power heads and see they are rate for gph turnover. I was thinking I would need between 500-600gph for a 20g long tank.
 
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Flow rate in zebra tanks is over rated. I know a pleco breeder who is #4 on the Planetcatfish.com BreederBoard. He uses air powered Poret foam cubes in his pleco breeding tanks. The more important consideration is that zebras like it warm. When one has to encrourage them to spawn byt doing a fry/rainy season, the water temp. should top out in the low 90s F. These temp. are reached in the Big bend of the Xingu, their only habitat in the wild.

The warmer water gets, the less oxygen it holds. For zebras well oxygentated water is more important than flow. However, that doesn't mean no flow either. My breeding tanks has 2 filters and one powerhead. There is an AquaClear 150 gph that hang on the right rear. There is a H.O.T. magnum using the micron cartridge whic I custom plumbed. That hangs on the left rear. It has a spraybar output which runs across the top right end of the tank and sends water across the surface. The intak runs into a hose which runs along the bottom rear of the tank and when it reaches the right end has an elbow which hooks into a prefilter sponged intake that runs arcross the bottom right end of the tank.

Finally the is a small powerhad which is also prefiltered and which is set on the left and glass at the front of the tank. I pushes a flow down the front glass. All the caves in the tank are lined up across the bottom of the tank facing the front glass, The powerhead creates flow across the cave entrance.

While strong flow may be appealing, it does have some drawbacks. Most notable is what it does to food and to waste. If the food gets blown into places the fish cannot get at it, it is goinh to rot there. Similarly, current will blow waste around. Finding and removing it can be a problem. Also, if one uses a sand substrate, that too can be hard to keep in place with strong current. I work with a number of the B&W Hypancistrus. Some of my tanks are bare bottom and some have sand. It is easier to spot debris on sand, but it is easier to vacuum bare glass. My zebra tank is bare bottom. I am a horrid photographer but this might help. Most of my spawns took place in the slate caves on either side of the wood at the right end.

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The plants were removed eventually. Back then a new tank got plants to help insure it was fish safe re ammonia.

One thing that is important to understand. There is almost no one way to do anything in this hobby. Pretty much the only universals I come up with are a container, water and food. What works for me in terms of set-up may not be right for another and for sure not everyone. I set up my tanks for the comfort of the fish. When I have to catch fish, I have to remove everything from the tank to do so. Other folks have set-ups that are more keeper friendly. A bigger tank, big wood and caves for example. A lot of the success one achieves in this hobby is in figuring out what things work best for them. I work with my plecos in groups, but as one of the experts who helped me was always willing to remind me "it only takes a pair to spawn."

When you get your group assembled, we can discuss feeding. Imo, what and howyou feed is almost the most important part of spawning fish. This presumes there are in a proper sized tank with the right parameter water and the propper aquascape. Those things are easy, food is less simple. For spawning fish the best food is live. But I drew the line there. I tend to feed about 40-45% each frozen and Repashy and then about 10-15% commercial sinking sticks from kensfish.com. Feeding mostly commercial flakes etc. will not yield great results when it comes to spawning fish. Diet matters.
 
Thank you for all the useful information!

I dodnt think about the sand being blown around the tank. I was going to set it up like rio xingu. Sand, smaller pebbles, and larger rocks/boulders. Now I might have to rethink the sand part. I don’t like gravel all that much.
And I know I do want flow in the tank, doesn’t have to be a blustery storm, just some current.

also never thought about getting extra oxygen in the tank with the higher temperatures, did know I would keep them in the high 80’s.

back to the drawing board With the sand idea.
 
Here’s my setup for reference but like TwoTankAmin said, there are those who breed them fine with just sponge filters. I use an adjustable Ecotech Vortech pump so I can play around with different flow patterns. Not sure if it makes a difference, it’s just what I do. There are 5 adults in this tank and fry hanging in a breeder box.

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Nice posts excellent information! Where did you get that cool breeder box?

It’s a really useful breeder box and it’s quite large. Probably one of my best fish purchases. I’ve raised lots of different fry in them. Really well made with thick plastic/acrylic and stainless mesh for good flow. Also, has an airstone and overflow for additional flow. They are made by a Korean company called ZISS and they have several models.
 
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