large red devil pics anyone?

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Thanks for the compliments on my Devil Justarn! He is indeed a legit F1 male

The fact of the matter is that midevil is no way an insult (as a matter of fact it seems to be becoming a species in itself). People are beginning to accept the fact that if the fish is bought without wild provenance which may indeed be midas or devil but without proof there's no way of knowing exactly what you have due to how closely these fish are related and how similarly they look. I have nothing against someone calling their fish what they want, but when we start talking about breeding and then distributing fry to people proper identification is the name of the game. I dont want to buy a juvie parachromis (all look similar @1") as a dovii and two months later i have a jag. Same goes for amphs, I dont want to get a fish labeled as a midas when in all reality it may be a mix of several species even though it may resemble a midas. Its all about proper representation in the hobby and responsibly distributing fish as what they are. I will not breed my male rd with a fish that looks to be a devil and sell as red devils. I will order from rapps and sell fry as true devils with 100% certainty and people will get what they asked for.

You, among others in here, put it perfectly well.

Awesome fish, everybody, by the way!

Now, i have Bulls that look exactly like the most hardened Midas in here, and i have Bull that look like the most hardened RD's in here...

Can i say i have both breeds? I cannot. I do not know their linneage. I can consider, between me, myself, and i, that i have Midas and Red Devils.

But i cannot take it further than that.

The big difference between some of you and some of us, is that some belive in so called 'true lines'. I do not.

I think the possibility of a certified true one entering in out tanks is small. After it is in our tanks, forget it.

As already said, ( and i could care less ) the hobby has created a new amplhi species, imho. Midevil.
 
I usually cant tell them apart. The young devils with the huge lips look obvious to me but outside of that I cant tell. Here is a pic of my F1 midas pair. Just got these from rapps a few weeks ago. (This was the pair on his stock list). I understand them to be bred from his midas breeders from nic. Are they pure? I cant tell as I mentioned. I wanted them since it was about as sure as I could be without harvesting them myself or a dna fish test which unless your a scientist is silly. I wanted Midas over RD because I thought Midas would be slightly less aggressive. ]

Of course, we all can tell them apart, along the traits we are used to. That is why i stated in the above post that i have midas and i have rd's.

But is it certifiable?

Probably in some small cases, with some reputable collectors/ vendors, such as the reputed Rapps, but even there, the chances of misidentification, if the fish looks in between, and some do, is, again, imho, immense.
 
When looking into the midevil question we think
1 midas
2 red devil
3 midevil
Couldnt there be also more options than that? Arent there hybris between other members of the family like the sagittae?
 
There must be. You are opening a whole new can of worms!:):)
 
well put!-)
 
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