Live vs Pellets?

[superleggera123]

i would say craving high caloric food is very natural for humans, you want to gain the most sustanince and unhealthy food will provide the most calories. your body even tells you this by your taste buds
what food do fish have to eat out in the wild thats not live food or plants, that they instinctually crave?

its much cheaper to produce fish foods then dogs foods which use more expensive meats. the meats that go into the dog food are more expensive then the fish and krill meal. so manufacturers get the cheapest parts and add more fillers to offset cost. to think there is no difference between foods for two different types of animals is so ignorant it is funny

dogs also have a instinctual urge to hunt, yet i dont see alot or even a few of people feeding them live squirrels or rabbits.

ok while your worried about fish social services coming and taking away your fish for feeding them pellets(a lil paranoid lol). i will be making sure mine are healthy by having the base of there diets include vitamins, minerals and good fatty acids.
and you will notice in none of my comments have i said pellets should be the sole food of the fish

haha you are so right...


like i said people i am only against goldfish feeders and not other live feeders..

p.s i also love watching my cat.. it does not mean ill go get some mice for him!
or my macaw.. he loves nuts.. should i get him a palm tree so he can enjoy picking them out?

 

[yogurt_21]

sigh once agin overlooked by the narrowminded.


lets put this out there and see if anyone notices.

why is this always an argument of or?

why is AND always overlooked?

a varied diet is important for your fish's health and happiness. they have a varied diet in the wild for a reason and no matter how much you puff up your pellets they cannot replace that variety.

the point is how would you like it if you were only allowed one type of food? sure your gruel would have all the nutrients and vitamins but after a while you'd be begging for some variety. It's the same with your fish.

 

[1badspilo]

Wow......talk about annoying.....I read this whole thread......every other post ranting about pellets over and over, taking up 1/2 the post in the whole thread, showing complete ignorance by contradicting yourself, and praising every person after they make a comment that sort of matches what you are trying to say...NICE!

Anyways varied for me as said many times.......it is very obvious my Armatus enjoys live over frozen. He hits live like a ton of bricks but just kinda gradually eats the frozen. His diet mainly consist of frozen but has been more live lately. It is quite easy to set a minnow trap and catch small bluegill and sunfish. I have never had a problem(knock on wood) with fish caught from my creek. It is super clean. I feed them worms and bugs for a couple weeks and throw them in.

Now when quarantining fish what does everyone feed them? If you feed them pellets and such during quarantine, it is kinda defeating the purpose isn't it of being a natural food? ............Please no stupid massivore pellet ingredient sheets..........a real answer would be appreciated.

 

[sostoudt]

Aight:

High caloric foods might be a natural instinct, however I doubt cavemen had Nutricional Facts on the back of the animal they just killed to let them know about the caloric count. They did however go for natural cravings and harvest/kill something to eat. Your body tells you it tastes good yes, but good doesn't mean fattening. I want to gain the most sustinence so I stay away from fatty foods because they may contain more calories, which are empty calories. Your argument makes no sense there.

I didn't say there was no difference in food, I said that there wasn't that big of difference in the research that goes into that food. Did you read it or just glance at it? I could be wrong, but I think that there are way more dog owners than fish owners. So it would stand to reason that there would be more of a demand for high quality dog food, than a small niche of the industry taken up by quality fish foods. I said nothing of the quality of the ingredients only of the research. To think that your pets diet is so much superior to others is not even funny, it is just sad that you live in such a small world.

You will also notice that in none of my comments have I said that 100% live is the best diet for a fish.

Feed your fish not just so they can survive, Feed them so they can THRIVE!

my point was not all natural cravings are healthy. your first paragraph is so off base with what i said. it even conflicts itself, by saying ancient humans dont need to know nutrional facts to eat healthy, yet you your self purposely avoid food because you know its unhealthy.

there are more dog owners but the demand for hi quality dog food has only occurred more recently, and many of the older brands are still on the shelves(example beneful). fish food has been fast to transition over to more healthy formulations, with many manufactures abandoning and replacing old recipes with new healthier ones. but i probably over generalized this in my comment. but its funny your strongest argument against my part of comment has nothing to even do with the topic of the thread. just take the loss and walk away with diginity.

 

[sostoudt]

why does everyone clump live food into a small group like it's a minute category. if we got down to it it would be very possible to give fish everything they need through a variety of live foods. is this idea practical? no. possible? yes. i'm not pointing the finger at you it was just the closest to quote.
feeding live food does not mean only fish, there are limitless possibilities for live food. no one ever mentions things like daphnia, flies, larvae, tadpoles (just to name a short few). the topic is so broad but rarely covered in much detail because as stated pellets and even buying feeders at a store are easier (and safer in pellets case) than branching out and collecting a true variety.

thats exactly what i said in a couple of my comments about feeding strictly live food. its to difficult to provide a good variety of live feeders(i count bugs as feeders too)

my first post

i think the answer
depends on they type and brand of pellet/s
and the type of feeder/s.

imo its very unlikely your fish will receive a good diet if you only feed it feeders, because theres no way to give it every type of insect or fish or invert it would eat in the wild, also theres no way you could make sure the feeders you get eat the correct variety of plants and foods they would in the wild, so they themselves would be healthy and have appropiate nutrient levels to pass on when consumed.

 

[1badspilo]

i seen a cichla and a few scavengers and one predator (gar) and it looked like the gar wanted nothing to do with a pellet. And even with those poor examples of predators, the same goes for them. Drop in 10 feeders and 10 pellets and see what happens. Let the fish be the judge.

I agree 100% on that. IMO fish that will eat anything you throw in the tank are not top level predators. I can throw dog turds in a cichlid tank and they will try to eat them. That is not a predator, it is a garbage disposal that will try anything. Payara, ATF, etc are on a different level IMO and normally, from what I have seen, would not even consider pellets. My Armatus would not even consider eating a pellet just dropped in his tank. They are built to catch other fish because that is their main diet. That is a true predator.

 

[hybridtheoryd16]

I hear all this talk about variety. And i was wondering what kind of variety would a apex predator eat in the wild? And to make this question specific lets try to concentrate on a apex predator from 2 different area's. So lets use

Payara - or hydrolycus armatus specifically

GATF - or goliath african tiger fish specifically

These are 2 apex or top level predators from 2 different area's of the world. And they both have highly obvious evolutionary adaptations to make them the top level predator in there specific area. So what kind of variety would they consume in the wild?

 

[snyder810]

sostoudt i missed that and stand corrected, and as i said i wasn't pointing fingers at you it was just the closest to quote. my bad for skimming over the comment you had it very accurate there.

 

[hybridtheoryd16]

1badspilo^^ thats funny I think we were connected on the dsame thought at the same

 

[snyder810]

I hear all this talk about variety. And i was wondering what kind of variety would a apex predator eat in the wild? And to make this question specific lets try to concentrate on a apex predator from 2 different area's. So lets use

Payara - or hydrolycus armatus specifically

GATF - or goliath african tiger fish specifically

These are 2 apex or top level predators from 2 different area's of the world. And they both have highly obvious evolutionary adaptations to make them the top level predator in there specific area. So what kind of variety would they consume in the wild?

now i'm no expert and don't know near as much as you on those fish but i assume they still mix it up with frogs, crabs, small mammals, birds, snakes along with fish? like i said i'm no expert on those fish but i'd think they still get a variety of foods.