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davidefc;2561056; said:
Just wondering how do you know that? did you sell them to him?
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No, to me all EBJD are hybrids and I don't like keeping hybrids. I have never really seen a EBJD that is not deform or funny looking.



Can you honestly say that, that's a regular male JD? I have never seen a regular JD like that.


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I ask local forum member for his opinion since he's currently trying to breed for EBJD and has a few that carries the EBJD gene.
 
As for the Aquabid thing...

If two jacks bred that were carrying the EBJD gene (we'll call them Bb as they're heterozygous) the offspring would be 25% BB (normal jacks), 50% Bb (heterozygous; normal looking but carriers of the recessive trait) and 25% bb (aka EBJD).

If he's selling the normal looking jacks odds are the 25% of the spawn that were EBJD's were removed, which would in essence the remaining fry would all look normal but 66% of them would be carriers for the recessive EBJD trait (2 to 1 ratio).

If the EBJD fry are mixed in as well it would be a 50% chance of recessive carriers (2 to 1 to 1 ratio).

And in the original photos it's not the male that's colorful, it's the female. It happens sometime, check my avatar. ;)
 
Mad About Cichlids;2561241; said:
No, to me all EBJD are hybrids and I don't like keeping hybrids. I have never really seen a EBJD that is not deform or funny looking.



Can you honestly say that, that's a regular male JD? I have never seen a regular JD like that.


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I ask local forum member for his opinion since he's currently trying to breed for EBJD and has a few that carries the EBJD gene.
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ebjds are not hybrids, and those are both regular jds that will not turn into ebjds. You can tell at a real early stage. And there is no way you can tell if any regular jd is a carier unless you breed them. Everything modest man said is correct as well.
Rambo
 
Here's what happen I'll start from the beginning. long story. a friend of mine had decided a while back to start breeding the ebjd, anyway he and another guy both went in together and bought a bunch of blue geno fry from rapps and they bought a few ebjd from someone one on aquabid i believe. anyway over time they got bored and I purchased one of the ebjd and 10 of the geno types. ok now i had all the fish in the same tank hoping i would get a pair out of the 11 fish. well the first to die was the large EBJD he got his butt kicked by this other jack in the tank. so I pulled that male and took what seemed to be a female he was hanging out with and put them into their own tank. boom 4 days later eggs. I left them alone and fugus. not big deal I have time on my side. so about 2 weeks later another batch and fry swimming everywhere. so I got rid of most of them. then the female jumped out and died. so i put in 3 more fish and instantly a new female came to his side. so after a few days another huge spawn. hence what's on aquabid. I thought it was only a 25% chance of the fish carrying the blue gene but a guy emailed me a sqaure and showed me that I was wrong. (thanks) and I changed it.

now how I came about these fish. it's a new pet shop that opened up, I walked in for the first time and the first fish I see is this huge what seemed to be an elec blue looking right at me. i asked the worker at the petshop what is this fish and she said i believe it's the elec blue jack. breeding pair for 100.00. well after some talking and coming up with a plan, I was supposed to call back the next day and ask her if she thought about it and the answer was yes. I should have taken a pic and posted it on here frist but o'well..

so you see the fish I posted on aquabid are not the fry of these guys. the fry are from 2 geno types and i did get a small amount of ebjd frys in the batch but they never made it to a half inch the other fish were always growing faster. they died becasue of either no food or it could be something in the genes too i don't really know..
 
John Rambo;2561978; said:
ebjds are not hybrids, and those are both regular jds that will not turn into ebjds. You can tell at a real early stage. And there is no way you can tell if any regular jd is a carier unless you breed them. Everything modest man said is correct as well.
Rambo
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The funny thing about EBJDs is that they look so funny compare to the regular JDs. As with Angels and guppies, they get different color and longer tails/fins but still retain the basic body shapes. Hybrids or not I still consider EBJDs hybrids, just personal opinion here.



Anyways here's a response I got back, hope he don't mind me posting it here.



If I sex correctly, this is my assumption:

Pic 1: fish on the left is the female. The fish on the right is the male.

Pic 2: female JD

Pic 3: Top is female. Bottom is male.


BG's all look like normal JD's. I have a batch that has produced 25% EBJD with the rest being a mix of BG and reg JD. There is really no way to tell them apart. Some breeders say that they can, but they are still not 100% sure. Hollywood sold some BG's from a EBJD x BG pair and the BG's from that batch look quite good! They have a bulldog look to them. Supposedly, this trait seems to come out from EBJD x BG pair. I assume this trait is due to health and food. Its what a healthy JD looks like.

The JD's in the pics, may have a lot of pearls and bigger pearls, but that is just because they are adults. I have noticed that JD's tend to get bigger and brighter pearls as soon as they breed.

Overall, the only way to get BG's is from a breeder that actually breeds them. If its from the petstore, chances are they are just regular JD's with good pearls. There are some EBJD's that look like regular JD's because of the smaller pearling and less metallic blue.
 
andy123;2562848; said:
Here's what happen I'll start from the beginning. long story. a friend of mine had decided a while back to start breeding the ebjd, anyway he and another guy both went in together and bought a bunch of blue geno fry from rapps and they bought a few ebjd from someone one on aquabid i believe. anyway over time they got bored and I purchased one of the ebjd and 10 of the geno types. ok now i had all the fish in the same tank hoping i would get a pair out of the 11 fish. well the first to die was the large EBJD he got his butt kicked by this other jack in the tank. so I pulled that male and took what seemed to be a female he was hanging out with and put them into their own tank. boom 4 days later eggs. I left them alone and fugus. not big deal I have time on my side. so about 2 weeks later another batch and fry swimming everywhere. so I got rid of most of them. then the female jumped out and died. so i put in 3 more fish and instantly a new female came to his side. so after a few days another huge spawn. hence what's on aquabid. I thought it was only a 25% chance of the fish carrying the blue gene but a guy emailed me a sqaure and showed me that I was wrong. (thanks) and I changed it.

now how I came about these fish. it's a new pet shop that opened up, I walked in for the first time and the first fish I see is this huge what seemed to be an elec blue looking right at me. i asked the worker at the petshop what is this fish and she said i believe it's the elec blue jack. breeding pair for 100.00. well after some talking and coming up with a plan, I was supposed to call back the next day and ask her if she thought about it and the answer was yes. I should have taken a pic and posted it on here frist but o'well..

so you see the fish I posted on aquabid are not the fry of these guys. the fry are from 2 geno types and i did get a small amount of ebjd frys in the batch but they never made it to a half inch the other fish were always growing faster. they died becasue of either no food or it could be something in the genes too i don't really know..
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Rapps does not breed his own EBJD's, they're imported. Are saying your friend initially bought fry from Rapps that carry the blue gene:confused: I find that hard to believe.
 
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