Male Midas x Female Carpintis = ???

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Sab_Fan;3710904; said:
this is the kind of post that gives everyone a headache, because it triggers so many hot-buttons (hybrids, cyano vs carpinte, LFS problems, etc., etc.) . . . :grinno:

that's not a knock on anybody, it just looks like there is something for everyone here to comment on

thanks for posting that last pic; that is a very handsome male . . . if nothing else, you really do have some good looking fish


Yeah, I'm new to this website, so wasn't aware there were so many sensative people on Monster. Will certainly make me relunctant to bother posting here again.

Nonetheless, thank you for the compliment on the fishes. Our family certainly enjoy our vast array of pets. Sitting on 218 unique species of aquatic life right now, and hoping to increase that number to 225 real soon.

There are some rare species I'm interested in keeping which I've never raised from Madagascar, and I'm hoping to adopt at least 6 separate species when I get my next 300g set up. More on that in another post later on--if I decide to post on these forums again.
 
wow that's a nice male.

Btw, I have the same two kinds of fish like you. Midas and texas cichlids :D
I want them to breed too.
 
Man, I know that I'm asking for trouble posting on this thread but I'll do it anyway. MFK is an awesome site with abundant knowledge for fish collectors and enthusiast. We just have to remember the human element of the human/fish relationship. There are so many places in this world to find insults,taunts, and anger. Let's not turn this into one of them. We can't forget that there are people raising these fish. Having sympathy and compassion for the fish and not for their owners is wrong. I hope everyone can be humble enough to learn from the mistakes and failures of others without resorting to arguments and insults. Keep MFK a place for learning and sharing the hobby. Leave all that negativity and anger for the rest of the web. I'm sure someone will disregard this and rip me to shreds. In response, I will set an example and not respond.
 
I don't think the OP tried to pass them off as pure, he stated he gave them to his lfs. They're the ones passing them off as pure. Not his fault.
I just don't think these stores shouold be doing this, but what can you do? Maybe stop giving them up to them is the only way, but if they deal in hybrids and claim to sell them as such it's just a chance you take that they'll keep things honest.
 
This is why I rarely ever post on this site, as you can tell by my join date. I come here and use the search function to find information and will create a thread only as a last resort. As stated earlier, the OP didn't try to pawn them off as pure but rather give the fish a chance to survive and not become feeders. I, for one, applaud that decision. Guess I'll refrain from any other threads or replies so as to not offend the real "experts" here.
 
hybrids are cool!!!!! lets not forget that all fish were hybrids at one point. just because some guy found it before it got to mate with a similar fish does not make it wrong to do it yourself....Darwinism...with a helping hand!!!!!:popcorn:
 
RickyOutlaw;3742688; said:
Dude , Opinions are like ***holes everyone got them , Hybrids are Hybrids end of story. Do not pass them as Pure and make sure others do not either , end of story.


I understand the "hobbyist rule" everyone has mentioned. Thing is, there's no way possible to "make sure others do not either." If an individual or LFS chooses to do purposely opposite, then there's not much that can be done about it. What they do is their business.
 
Gruff Master;3742987; said:
Man, I know that I'm asking for trouble posting on this thread but I'll do it anyway. MFK is an awesome site with abundant knowledge for fish collectors and enthusiast. We just have to remember the human element of the human/fish relationship. There are so many places in this world to find insults,taunts, and anger. Let's not turn this into one of them. We can't forget that there are people raising these fish. Having sympathy and compassion for the fish and not for their owners is wrong. I hope everyone can be humble enough to learn from the mistakes and failures of others without resorting to arguments and insults. Keep MFK a place for learning and sharing the hobby. Leave all that negativity and anger for the rest of the web. I'm sure someone will disregard this and rip me to shreds. In response, I will set an example and not respond.



I doubt anyone can rip you apart for this response, as it does speak volumes.

Right now, the real concern is the future of the hobby itself. Speak with any breeder or true LFS owner, and they'll tell you that right now the greatest fear of all is a massive decline in hobbyists altogether. They are afraid the hobby in and of itself is a dying breed.

With the modern age going all computerized with gaming, tweets and greater sources of technology, there is no longer many people interested in taking the time to really get into the hobby of collecting and keeping fish in home aquariums. As we all know, a lot of work goes into proper care and maintenance of housing fish, and today's generation is probably the laziest of all time.

I certainly don't want our hobby dying out, and experienced hobbyists should be doing whatever they can to encounrage new hobbyists into the field. It seems to me that most are more concerned with their territorial rules, pure blood lines and showing others their wealth of knowledge--not realizing that being overly defensive in such a way is running off many potential hobbyists early on.

Such actions from these hobbyists won't seem to hit home until they see their breeders going out of business due to lack of demand, and watch as the hobby itself dies altogether. Then, these new animal rights bills will start hitting the table and there won't be enough hobbyist support to stop them from outlawing the keeping of fish in our homes.

Once that gets banned, the few which remain will be paying $250+ to find something as once common as an Oscar to keep hidden in their basement. Aquatic supplies will bottom out for awhile, and then soar in price thereafter due to downsized manufacturing.

You folks that want to argue about minute and petty things should wake up and look at the big picture, and realize that our hobby itself is in immediate danger, and the last thing we need is hobbyists squabbling. We need people promoting this avenue, and working to keep the industry alive--so that if a decline does take place, at least it's not within our time period.

Hopefully, if we do our job right, we'll make sure our future generation loves and respects the hobby the way we all have these past 30-40 years, and times before us.

So far, my 10 yr old son can walk into the local fish store and tell a random customer the differences between the temperament of a Boulengerochromis microlepis from Lake Tanganyika, and a Tilapia buttikoferi from West Africa--and he actually knows what he's talking about.

I've tried my best to pass on the hobby knowledge and instill it into him and my daughter. If anything should be focused on right now, for the sake of the future of our hobby, it should be the preservation of our hobby in general. What good would it do to argue over what is pureblood or hybrid if you can find neither within 15 years from now?

Anyhow, that is my perspective of the matters at hand. Take it for what it's worth--my opinion.
 
Stibnite, you understand the hobby and the benefits of it. People like you will keep it going for many,many more years. Maybe your son is the next great Monster Fish Keeper! Wow! This thread has been a wild one!
 
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