Man Finds -- and Kills -- 100-Year-Old Fish

[Oddball]

There's nearly no chance of a sturgeon surviving being speared. Sturgeon spears are large multi-tined (5 to 12 points) tools with either large fixed or flying barbs to keep large fish from shaking off the spear. They produce too much trauma to expect a speared fish to be able to survive such an encounter.

 

[oscarcrazy]

In case you weren't aware, sturgeons are regularly kept in public aquariums. Public aquariums do have the resources. That man didn't have to transport the fish himself; he simply could have let it go and alerted the local fish and wildlife department, and they could have found it. I didn't state that species was going extinct; however, I said that old specimens are becoming incredibly rare, and it's true.
This specimen could have very well helped ichthyologists; you don't know much about zoology, do you? Scientists would have been able to perform so many studies and draw statistical data, such as what factors can help increase the lifespan of a sturgeon, and help them live longer. That would also yield a greater amount of caviar, keep in mind.



Nice strawman.

This is great!!!!!!! The flaws in your thinking are amazing. Just in case you aren't aware I teach biology.

1. Fish is dead when speared (as many have been so kind as to point out the blaringly obvious).
2. Let's say he let it live and alerted biologist to its presence. Do you think they would jump in their fish mobiles, dive threw the ice with a magic submarine, somehow find this amazing fish that has eluded fishermen for 100 years in millions of gallons of water, coax it into a holding tank with kind words and candy, and use a Star Trek tansporter to beam it to the nearest 20,000 gallon facility where they would study it (just by looking at it, they wouldn't want to harm this majestic senior citizen), then they would be able to find the secret to sturgeon imortality and somehow transfer that finding somehow create a better tasting icecream that they name after the original spotter of the fish?

Trust me, my scenario is just as plausible as yours.

Next I shoot a really big bear, I'll make sure it lives and I'll call the biologists and I'll wait for their helicopters to come in and take the bear away to magic bear research land.

Strawman??????? Damn, you must have talked to my wife.....

 

[MultispeciesTamer]

Brilliant, really.

He could have stopped stabbing the fish and let it live. One spearing doesn't kill such a behemoth. Also, he didn't have to spear the fish in the first place; he could have simply avoided killing it, and let it live. Has that occurred to you? Don't take it personally, but you simply have no argument. You resort to defending the man in a manner lacking any common sense, instead of attempting to refute my arguments.

now thats a hoot! I think your the one that may be lacking common sense .

 

[fobrinkle]

now thats a hoot! I think your the one that may be lacking common sense .

Tamer, I don't always agree with you but you are speaking the truth in this thread.
So, this guy thought he should tell the local fish and wildlife that he stabbed a sturgeon and they need to go get it. That is a good one.

 

[jikiya7]

man that was a very very pathetic argument lets see u staring through a hole in the ice for god knows how many hours a year and see that shadow and NOT DO ANYTHING serrously the man was probably ready to crap himself.

if the fish has ecaped death that long do you really think he could be cuaght HOW? do the reserchers ask pretty please?
plese explane to me your logic in this

 

[Chaz88]

There's nearly no chance of a sturgeon surviving being speared. Sturgeon spears are large multi-tined (5 to 12 points) tools with either large fixed or flying barbs to keep large fish from shaking off the spear. They produce too much trauma to expect a speared fish to be able to survive such an encounter.

Yep.. But when spear fishing tropical fish the ones that shake the spear sure are good at attracting sharks with there death throws. I think that more than makes tropical spear fishing a fair contest. The fishing through a hole in the ice and the fish being big and strong enough to whack you with its tail and break bones kind of evens things up for the sturgeon.

 

[Nabbig2]

This is great!!!!!!! The flaws in your thinking are amazing. Just in case you aren't aware I teach biology.

1. Fish is dead when speared (as many have been so kind as to point out the blaringly obvious).
2. Let's say he let it live and alerted biologist to its presence. Do you think they would jump in their fish mobiles, dive threw the ice with a magic submarine, somehow find this amazing fish that has eluded fishermen for 100 years in millions of gallons of water, coax it into a holding tank with kind words and candy, and use a Star Trek tansporter to beam it to the nearest 20,000 gallon facility where they would study it (just by looking at it, they wouldn't want to harm this majestic senior citizen), then they would be able to find the secret to sturgeon imortality and somehow transfer that finding somehow create a better tasting icecream that they name after the original spotter of the fish?

Trust me, my scenario is just as plausible as yours.

Next I shoot a really big bear, I'll make sure it lives and I'll call the biologists and I'll wait for their helicopters to come in and take the bear away to magic bear research land.

Strawman??????? Damn, you must have talked to my wife.....

1. You are correct.

2. I never said such a thing. You are blowing it way out of proportion; the wildlife authorities could have gone searching for the fish. I never said they would immediately be upon it, nor did I say it would be an easy task. Again, you must have not read my post about the data that could have been drawn from simply observing the fish. Exactly what biology do you teach? I would assume that if you have any sort of biology degree, you would be able to at least see the benefits of observing such an old animal. As I stated earlier, it could possibly help people know more about sturgeon care, allowing people to raise sturgeon that live longer and therefore produce more caviar. Your ice cream analogy is completely inane.
Again, as I stated in my first post here, I understand what he did was legal and within his rights. The thing is that while he's admiring the fish's dead corpse somewhere, keeping it alive had the potential of providing educational opportunities for many other people. Not to mention, simply letting such a great creature continue living.

I don't think you understand what a strawman is. Your situation is only superficially similar to this one. You are missing a few key points. For example, some sturgeon are farm raised. Letting this animal live and studying it could have helped people learn about raising sturgeon to a larger size, and older age. Considering bears aren't cared for and raised in the same manner for butchery, your analogy is irrelevant.

Also I'd like to apologize to you guys for my lack of knowledge about fish spearing. Apparently, one stab would have ended this fish's life.

now thats a hoot! I think your the one that may be lacking common sense .

No, I lacked the knowledge about the spearing techniques used to kill sturgeons. You are the one lacking common sense, considering the man had the option of not killing the sturgeon in the first place. Why is that such a hard concept for some people to grasp?

 

[Raptorthefishman]

You don't have to agree with what he did, he didn't do anything wrong legally or morally if your a spear fisherman or a hunter, or in anyway did the article say he did anything inhumanely. Good story, even cooler if your a hunter or hardcore fisherman. Why does everything have to be about right or wrong around here lately?

 

[MN_Rebel]

1. You are correct.

2. I never said such a thing. You are blowing it way out of proportion; the wildlife authorities could have gone searching for the fish. I never said they would immediately be upon it, nor did I say it would be an easy task. Again, you must have not read my post about the data that could have been drawn from simply observing the fish. Exactly what biology do you teach? I would assume that if you have any sort of biology degree, you would be able to at least see the benefits of observing such an old animal. As I stated earlier, it could possibly help people know more about sturgeon care, allowing people to raise sturgeon that live longer and therefore produce more caviar. Your ice cream analogy is completely inane.
Again, as I stated in my first post here, I understand what he did was legal and within his rights. The thing is that while he's admiring the fish's dead corpse somewhere, keeping it alive had the potential of providing educational opportunities for many other people. Not to mention, simply letting such a great creature continue living.

I don't think you understand what a strawman is. Your situation is only superficially similar to this one. You are missing a few key points. For example, some sturgeon are farm raised. Letting this animal live and studying it could have helped people learn about raising sturgeon to a larger size, and older age. Considering bears aren't cared for and raised in the same manner for butchery, your analogy is irrelevant.

Also I'd like to apologize to you guys for my lack of knowledge about fish spearing. Apparently, one stab would have ended this fish's life.



No, I lacked the knowledge about the spearing techniques used to kill sturgeons. You are the one lacking common sense, considering the man had the option of not killing the sturgeon in the first place. Why is that such a hard concept for some people to grasp?

2. It will take weeks for them to find a speared sturgeon in BIG LAKE which support a large thriving populations of lake sturgeons.
Its like find a needle in a hay stack.

As for that caviar, you have to kill a fish to get unripen eggs out of her, how can they live longer?

If he catch that sturgeon alive, I just dont see how he can keep it alive and how you can get some education from a fish thats still swimming in a lake whose evaded us for over 100 years?

The man deserved that old sturgeon because both played well game. This man probably sit in the darkhouse for many hours, maybe even days without see any sturgeon come in the range. I give that man two thumb ups.

 

[MN_Rebel]

You don't have to agree with what he did, he didn't do anything wrong legally or morally if your a spear fisherman or a hunter, or in anyway did the article say he did anything inhumanely. Good story, even cooler if your a hunter or hardcore fisherman. Why does everything have to be about right or wrong around here lately?

That what I dont understand why some people are against this man who legally taken this fine sturgeon. Maybe they were never raised to fishing/hunting by their parents?