Martial arts question...spinning chop caused temporary hand pain.

[WyldFya]

i think there are only 2 or 3 arts that will help you in a real fight. i'd do bjj, muay thai/kickboxing and boxing. all the other stuff is only for competition where there are rules and points and things like that

I'd love to do bjj. "I am a shark, the ground is my ocean, and most people can't even swim." -Rickson Gracie

Very untrue. Many martial arts can lend a hand in a fight, but I'll tell you the styles you listed aren't well rounded enough to keep you in good shape in any fight. BJJ is a decent style but far from complete. Many styles have too many restrictions, both in fighting and in movement. No one style can prepare you for everything.

The styles you listed, leg attacks. Kickboxing/muay thai are good styles, but they do not have a wide variety of strong ranged kicks. Boxing only helps if you have gloves, and need to learn to take a hit to the head. None of these styles focus on pressure points, or manipulations of tendons, nerves, blood flow, or muscles. There are several places on the torso that can knock even the most toughened fighter out with a simple punch, but most styles do not learn to focus on hitting weak points, just hitting where they can.

 

[SumoNinja]

I would disagree, Combat Sambo has application in a real fight. Though those school are a bit harder to find in the states.

Though I've heard the argument that since combat arts like Sambo and Krav Maga (sp) are mixed martial arts they are in a separate category.

i think combat sambo and judo are good to know also as well as wrestling. but i still say boxing, kickboxing and bjj are the best. if you are well rounded in these 3 you're in good shape in a street fight

Thats not 100% true. There are other styles that help. I used to be an avid praticitioner of Tae kwon doe(for nearly 10 years) and it is very use full in an actual fight.

disagree about tkd. sure a lot of martial arts "helps" in a fight but realistically the 3 i named is best in a street fight. i agree that I'm not 100% right, more like 90% but i think if a guy who has 10 years of tkd fought a guy with 10 years of kickboxing or muay thai, my money wouldn't be on the tkd guy all the way

Very untrue. Many martial arts can lend a hand in a fight, but I'll tell you the styles you listed aren't well rounded enough to keep you in good shape in any fight. BJJ is a decent style but far from complete. Many styles have too many restrictions, both in fighting and in movement. No one style can prepare you for everything.

The styles you listed, leg attacks. Kickboxing/muay thai are good styles, but they do not have a wide variety of strong ranged kicks. Boxing only helps if you have gloves, and need to learn to take a hit to the head. None of these styles focus on pressure points, or manipulations of tendons, nerves, blood flow, or muscles. There are several places on the torso that can knock even the most toughened fighter out with a simple punch, but most styles do not learn to focus on hitting weak points, just hitting where they can.

we have a difference in opinion then. if you think the 3 i listed would be little use, then what do you think would be better?

muay thai and kickboxing kicks are the most effective in a real fight if you ask me, more than any other style. boxing only effective with gloves??? i'm not even sure how to respond to that,........... a guy with a good boxing back ground would do good in a fight with the trained hands, counterpunching and footwork.

i read an article about a bunch of karate dudes wanting to challenge a bunch of muay thai guys. well, they ended up competing on a couple of occasions where it was basically karate against muay thai. and all the karate guys ended getting knocked out. i think literally one karate dude won by decision, the rest of them suffered brutal ko's

 

[beex215]

try not spinning. its useless to do a spin. just chop people

 

[scriving]

wow how is bjj incomplete if you mean not striking i can see where you are coming from but the whole point of bjj is to not need to strike

 

[WyldFya]

i think combat sambo and judo are good to know also as well as wrestling. but i still say boxing, kickboxing and bjj are the best. if you are well rounded in these 3 you're in good shape in a street fight



disagree about tkd. sure a lot of martial arts "helps" in a fight but realistically the 3 i named is best in a street fight. i agree that I'm not 100% right, more like 90% but i think if a guy who has 10 years of tkd fought a guy with 10 years of kickboxing or muay thai, my money wouldn't be on the tkd guy all the way



we have a difference in opinion then. if you think the 3 i listed would be little use, then what do you think would be better?

muay thai and kickboxing kicks are the most effective in a real fight if you ask me, more than any other style. boxing only effective with gloves??? i'm not even sure how to respond to that,........... a guy with a good boxing back ground would do good in a fight with the trained hands, counterpunching and footwork.

i read an article about a bunch of karate dudes wanting to challenge a bunch of muay thai guys. well, they ended up competing on a couple of occasions where it was basically karate against muay thai. and all the karate guys ended getting knocked out. i think literally one karate dude won by decision, the rest of them suffered brutal ko's

I never said they would be ineffective, but they are not complete enough to stand in the real world. Trust me I have worked with masters from muay thai. Their kicks are definitely good, in their type, but the best kicks definitely lie with other styles. One instance of muay thai beating karate is great, but there are far more outcomes. Saying a style is better based on a handful of fights shows how small your tunnel is. Boxers keep their cross hand next to their head when they fight... A good fighter will see this and hit them with their own hand. Their arms can throw a decent punch, but most asian martial arts can throw a far more devastating punch without using as much energy as a boxer to throw said punch.

Your vision is very narrow, every fighter worth their grits will know that one style cannot win every fight on the street. Rather, a good series of styles will help you stay in one piece on the street. The best fighters in the world would rather walk away from a fight on the street, then meet the opponent head on. That isn't because they are afraid, but rather because they know they have nothing to prove.

 

[WyldFya]

wow how is bjj incomplete if you mean not striking i can see where you are coming from but the whole point of bjj is to not need to strike

BJJ has weak stand up skills. Any style that operates on the premise that it is designed not to need a type of fighting, has opened up its weakness to the world to exploit.

 

[scriving]

no definitely not

 

[WyldFya]

Ultimately real fights come down to who holds back, and who is willing to die to win. Street fights have to be taken as life or death. If you get in a street, you have to be willing to do anything and everything you can to survive.

 

[scriving]

i agree with that statement

 

[WyldFya]

i agree with that statement

That is where most styles have a flaw, they hold back. Don't punch in the head (Kyokushin karate), you don't need to fight stand up (BJJ), you don't kick (boxing), you don't work on the ground (many but not all stand up martial arts), you don't utilize pressure points (too many to list). You can't expect one style to do it all... it just doesn't happen.