Morledzep;5118992; said:
How many fish did you add, because if you add too many at once it could cause a mini cycle as well.
I'm not trying to be condescending or anything I just wanted to cover the basics before jumping to more complicated causes.
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How many fish did you add, because if you add too many at once it could cause a mini cycle as well.
I'm not trying to be condescending or anything I just wanted to cover the basics before jumping to more complicated causes.
ok.. apparently, i don't know what i'm doing. so i will explain myself so all the people that are old enough to be my grand children will be satisfied that i know what i'm doing.
i have (it is sitting empty now) a 150 gallon tank. it had 6 medium sized cichla in it. my son was arrested out of frustration and worry i sat up all night doing tank maintenance on the 150 while going nuts. at about 5 am they called and said i could pick up my son at the jail, so i went and got him. when i came home ALL of my cichla in the 150 were dead. i tested the water, it was all good. ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates less than 20ppm (i had just done a huge water change with ro/di water, not tap water). but i found out that i had been careless and ruined my air pump which in turn took out 2 foam filters and left the fluval 405 as the only filtration on the tank with no extra aeration. it's the ONLY cause i could find.
my son and i did a flush and clean.. we flushed all the stuff out of the gravel till it was only clear water. we pulled the filter and washed it thoroughly, put the bio-media in the dishwasher (with no soap, just on the sani-rinse), along with all of the filter parts. i reassembled the filter, took the seeded filter off of the other tank, put 2 of the filter pads from that tank into this filter, filled the tank, turned on the filters and the heaters. i also took 2 seeded foam filters from the other tank and squeezed them out in the tank and then put them back where they came from. and i replaced the foam filters that were in the tank with the fish died, and bought a new air pump.
i then cycled my tank, being VERY careful to add more bio material every day until it was fully cycled. and then i moved 2 of the larger cichla from the other tank into the 150.
THEN.. a few weeks later the 5 cichla that i spoke of previously became available, so i got them. moved the 2 big guys back to the other tank, and put these guys in (they were all in the 6 - 10" range). i got the bag of massivore with the fish, but i didn't try to give it to them right away. i typically don't feed fish the same day i put them in a tank because they don't usually eat. 2 days later i offered them some market shrimp, which they ate reluctantly, and a few days after that i offered them some frozen krill and they ate that, though not as enthusiastically as i had hoped they would. so i gave them a few days.. and i decided to try the massivore that came with the fish i put in a small handful, maybe 20 pellets max. ALL of the fish ignored it completely, it went to the bottom, disintegrated and fouled the water.
i still have most of those fish.. lost one to starvation because she quit eating about a year after i got them (she was blind when i got her, i think she did amazingly well for a long time). and i accidentally sold one, i had intended to keep (another long story you don't need to hear). but the rest i still have 3 years later..
i'm NOT new.. i've cycled and started MANY tanks. i know what i did and when i did it and nothing that i did could have caused the cloudiness or the stink. there was no leftover food from previous feedings, the gravel, as i said before had been completely cleaned just a few weeks before, and there was no leftover food from the two previous ill-received feedings.
i'm not going to explain myself any further, i'm NOT the OP on this thread. i offered my one and only experience with massivore for their reference, not to be questioned like an idiot by children.
i have (it is sitting empty now) a 150 gallon tank. it had 6 medium sized cichla in it. my son was arrested out of frustration and worry i sat up all night doing tank maintenance on the 150 while going nuts. at about 5 am they called and said i could pick up my son at the jail, so i went and got him. when i came home ALL of my cichla in the 150 were dead. i tested the water, it was all good. ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates less than 20ppm (i had just done a huge water change with ro/di water, not tap water). but i found out that i had been careless and ruined my air pump which in turn took out 2 foam filters and left the fluval 405 as the only filtration on the tank with no extra aeration. it's the ONLY cause i could find.
my son and i did a flush and clean.. we flushed all the stuff out of the gravel till it was only clear water. we pulled the filter and washed it thoroughly, put the bio-media in the dishwasher (with no soap, just on the sani-rinse), along with all of the filter parts. i reassembled the filter, took the seeded filter off of the other tank, put 2 of the filter pads from that tank into this filter, filled the tank, turned on the filters and the heaters. i also took 2 seeded foam filters from the other tank and squeezed them out in the tank and then put them back where they came from. and i replaced the foam filters that were in the tank with the fish died, and bought a new air pump.
i then cycled my tank, being VERY careful to add more bio material every day until it was fully cycled. and then i moved 2 of the larger cichla from the other tank into the 150.
THEN.. a few weeks later the 5 cichla that i spoke of previously became available, so i got them. moved the 2 big guys back to the other tank, and put these guys in (they were all in the 6 - 10" range). i got the bag of massivore with the fish, but i didn't try to give it to them right away. i typically don't feed fish the same day i put them in a tank because they don't usually eat. 2 days later i offered them some market shrimp, which they ate reluctantly, and a few days after that i offered them some frozen krill and they ate that, though not as enthusiastically as i had hoped they would. so i gave them a few days.. and i decided to try the massivore that came with the fish i put in a small handful, maybe 20 pellets max. ALL of the fish ignored it completely, it went to the bottom, disintegrated and fouled the water.
i still have most of those fish.. lost one to starvation because she quit eating about a year after i got them (she was blind when i got her, i think she did amazingly well for a long time). and i accidentally sold one, i had intended to keep (another long story you don't need to hear). but the rest i still have 3 years later..
i'm NOT new.. i've cycled and started MANY tanks. i know what i did and when i did it and nothing that i did could have caused the cloudiness or the stink. there was no leftover food from previous feedings, the gravel, as i said before had been completely cleaned just a few weeks before, and there was no leftover food from the two previous ill-received feedings.
i'm not going to explain myself any further, i'm NOT the OP on this thread. i offered my one and only experience with massivore for their reference, not to be questioned like an idiot by children.
I have tried massivore vs. NLS 10mm mega pellets on cichla and australian lungfish. Every period of time they are only fed exclusively one kind of pellets. NLS 10mm comes in 4+lbs bucket for about $55, and massivore 2.2lbs for $45-50 twice more expensive than NLS. Experience from my Cichla and AUL when on NLS, they don't seem to eat to show big belly but just taste enough to feel full I guess. After I feed my AUL 2 large buckets of mega NLS over about 4 months period of time, I don't think they grow much and I have videos to prove that. Their color however do turn orange-reddish which is pretty cool and attractive. I just recently switch back to massivore and only been about 1 month they have grown and put on a lot of weight. If I have choice all over again with especially large fish, I would feed them massivore until they reach desire size and weight, max out their growth potential first and then transition them to NLS to condition their color.
Morledzep;5120300; said:
No one cares if youre 15, 50 or 150.
No one asked you to explain yourself.
No one called you a n0ob.
...so thats quite a condescending response to those here that were only trying to help you (even though you were derailing the OPs question by continuing the off topic conversation).
Reading your story and all the possible things that could have gone wrong with your situation/scenario reminds me of a saying by Abraham Lincoln:
Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Morledzep;5120300; said:
First of all no need to be rude, we are all just trying to help. I never said you didn't know what you were doing.
I would like to let you know that if you did a "huge" water change and had 20 ppm nitrates after that then your nitrates must have been really high before. The shock of the change in nitrates could have been the cause for the death of the cichla, maybe not though.
Secondly when everyone else says massivore does not cause this problem and your the only one to experience it, this would push me to believe that it wasn't the massivore that was at fault, but maybe it was!
If your doing something wrong your whole life wouldn't you want someone to tell you? I'm not saying your doing anything wrong but just because your much older doesn't make you more knowledgeable or more experienced. Fish keeping has changed a lot and most of the old notions no longer apply.
I was trying to give friendly advice not make you feel like an idiot. When a tv doesn't work the first thing your supposed to do is check to make sure it's plugged in before you start disassembling it. The simplest answer is often the correct one.
If your keeping cichla you must know what your doing, so I'm sorry if I offended you but it was not my intention!
My fish all like Massivore but I don't feed it every day, only every few days. Their daily food is NLS. I used to feed Massivore to my Tigrinus exclusively and also it's about the only pellet my former Dovii would eat. IME it stinks but doesn't make my tank stink nor has it ever clouded the water.
seachem prime stinks.....no food smells bad after a whiff of that.
And I like X-Tank's take on things. Might try that next time. Feed hikari when growing, then NLS when they get larger to brighten them up.
As for me, I'm using Omega One right now, because I can buy it for cheap at my LFS. Seems to be fine. My JD has gotten better looking since I bought him, and he seems happy I guess.
And I like X-Tank's take on things. Might try that next time. Feed hikari when growing, then NLS when they get larger to brighten them up.
As for me, I'm using Omega One right now, because I can buy it for cheap at my LFS. Seems to be fine. My JD has gotten better looking since I bought him, and he seems happy I guess.
seedubs1;5122735; said:
Bf just fed omega one to our catfish and he wolfed it down. Is Massivore so much better that it's worth ordering?
