thanks guys hes more 15- 16" range, have him in a 110 for quarantine and let him recover a little from the previous owner and hes only about 2" from front to back of the tank, ill try to get a more accurate measurmen though, but hes very long and slender, also hes got these white spots on his fins and tail, almost look like pimples on the tail, any idea what that is or how to cure it??? ive never seen that except on a flowerhorn i had but it was on his head, turned out to be like a flesh eating bacteria, had a dent in his head for a while then recoverd from it, could this be the same thing????