Midget/ mini marble motoros?

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dpete88 said:
Ok point well taken but if it held true that a smaller parent always produced a pup that would have a smaller max size then the smaller rays could be marketed as such. What you call it doesnt matter.

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That's not always the case if 2 humans with the dwarf gene have a child that is not a guarantee the children they have will also be dwarf it just means the chance are higher of them having a dwarf child

Things can also skip a generation 2 small rays may have very large pups but when them pups reach normal adult size they may have very small pups




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Thats why i said IF it held true that the pups carried the dwarf gene. I just think it would be an interesting research project to breed multiple generations of smaller sized rays, both mixed with larger parents and have both parents being smaller, and checking the results. If through several generations they stay small then we could determine if the gene is dominant or recessive

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While i dont doubt their are small rays out there.. until otherwise consistently bred buying a "mini" on someones word, your chanceing setting a fish up for a horrible shortened life. stunting happenes in fish for many reasons, not all of which we understand fully. anyone done a biopsy on one of the "minis" that theyve had die? that would give alot of answers reguarding if its genetically viable, or stunting.
 
have to say that t1 / richard has an interesting point regarding the dwarf / mini rays .

the dwarf / mini reference is frequently used as a reference for smaller than the max size of that species yet i have to agree that dwarf and mini are two seporate things.

as richard / t1 said . dwarf is a genetic iregularity and mini is just a smaller version and to use the human equavalant that is sugested in the threads can cause extra confusion.

a dwarf human is as far as i can tell different to a human thats small and would be termed as mini rather than dwarf ( im reluctant to mention genetic defects as others have}.

i DO think there are mini rays out there but the terms and conditions need to be applyed and the regulations set ie ... smaller than 14" could be deemed mini

but sex has something to do with it too as males are usually smaller than females.

its an interesting debate and as t1 said size may skip a generation and that is definately worth considering but its very intersting all the same

so ideally the actual size of "mini" rays needs to be determined before the terms widespread use (imo).

i would hope db would offer his experiences in this matter. as i think he has much to say that could be usefull. but it seems to me that under 14" for a female marble would be considered a "mini marble " and i would like to sugest as much.

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DB junkie said:
If you research them it seems like they ususally share a similar trait in the perimeter spotting. Small seperate prominant dots ususally as opposed to ajoining, linked, or "fingers" around the perimeter on the larger ones.
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I think it would be really helpful if someone could post some comparison pictures of a regular vs "mini" marble to illustrate this distinctive perimeter spotting.
 
First pic is the normal sized. Perimeter spotting is chain link like the spots hook together. Finger like pattern llllll on the edge.

Second pic the smaller/midget/mini seem to have spots, seperate individual dots usually 3-4 rows and often the edge of the disk is darker where the perimeter spots are. The light colored female in there is my first cb ray, 3+ years old, 8" across. The bigger one has been with me almost 5 years. I'd say she's 10".

It's not 100% full proof or anything, but all but 1 of my Marbles seem to match this. :screwy:

Believe me, it's a heck of a lot easier to explain when your standing in front of tanks of these things and like I said, most all the Marbles I've ever had with the exception of Zero and Larry have matched and grown accordingly. I'm not the only one with Marbles who's noticed this either...... :screwy:

Maybe we're all crazy...... :ROFL:

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I have a motoro that is 10-11 inches and i have had her for 2 years all my other rays have out grown her and they are younger then her. She started out in a 150g and then a 300g now shes in a 500g fed very well.


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DB junkie said:
First pic is the normal sized. Perimeter spotting is chain link like the spots hook together. Finger like pattern llllll on the edge.

Second pic the smaller/midget/mini seem to have spots, seperate individual dots usually 3-4 rows and often the edge of the disk is darker where the perimeter spots are. The light colored female in there is my first cb ray, 3+ years old, 8" across. The bigger one has been with me almost 5 years. I'd say she's 10".

It's not 100% full proof or anything, but all but 1 of my Marbles seem to match this. :screwy:

Believe me, it's a heck of a lot easier to explain when your standing in front of tanks of these things and like I said, most all the Marbles I've ever had with the exception of Zero and Larry have matched and grown accordingly. I'm not the only one with Marbles who's noticed this either...... :screwy:

Maybe we're all crazy...... :ROFL:
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i dont know if its just me but i dont see much difference in the spots at the edge of the disc of the ray at the bottom in the first pic to the two rays at the bottom in the second pic other than they are seemingly different types of marbles and the centers of the individual spots are lighter.

im not trying to pick holes in what you say im just trying to understand ... just so you know ;)
 
Don't worry, my stories are like my clothes, both have holes in them. :ROFL:
Like I mentioned, Larry's pattern doesn't jive with his claspers, there's always exceptions. But after talking with Richard (Aquaman) it seems like it does hold true most of the time.

Ever seen a chain link Motoro? The orange dots around the perimeter connect, smudge or blur together.From those dots out to the edge of the disc is a mess, but there's usually the lil "llllllll" lines from these dots to where the disc ends. "Fingers" if you will.

Only problem with perimeter patterns is the fact they're so prone to breeding scars that you have to raise them from lil guys to know that what you're looking at isn't scarred pattern.

Here's some more pics....

3 different rays.

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