Mike with H20?

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Most likely he has an LLC so his personal assets are protected. Also theres no debtors prisons (England ) or slavery (Rome) anymore....

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As johhnylighting said and confirmed by my attorney- his personal assets could come into play.

His business website is still up http://www.h2ocustomaquatics.com/ . Also his vendor forum is still active here on here. So he is replacing your the platinum gar that you ordered with a black diamond instead?

Well- so far that is the plan-we will see if he replaces it with anything.
 
If he doesn't replace the Gar with 2 bd's as he stated then I will do what I can to collect. It seems this has happened to a number of people and is more than a "poor me" situation. If you have been wronged please PM me. I will put a list together and see how many people have been affected. If the Bd's don't come in then I will bring the list of people this happened to into my attorney and start pursuing legal action.

The simplest format in a pm
Name:
Amount lost:
what happened: (be brief) ex: paid $2,500 for a Black diamond-DOA and did a tissue sample at xxx veterinary clinic- Found ray had been dead for 2 weeks prior to shipment- etc.

Your contact info-email,phone number,address.

I will put a list together and keep everyone informed via email,phone calls etc.

If he doesn't follow up on his word I will do what I can to stop it from continuing to happen.
 
I have never had a good experience with Paypal when it comes to buyer protection. They won't do squat. When they finish their investigation they'll say yes, you got screwed but we're sorry, there's nothing we can do to help you. Their protection is a joke. Best thing you can do is use a credit card and file a chargeback.

just wanted to point out and warn people about paypal i agree with the above, papal are very limited in what they can do and if the owner of the paypal account doesnt care if he/her keeps his/her paypal account or care about bad feedback then you may as well just give up and thats not even considering DOA.

=cheon;5997242]It's seriously crazy! I have read thread after thread on this and I personally know 3 people that have been jacked but aren't on the forums. One guy took his dead 5 figure doa ray to a doctor and they told him the tissue had been frozen for over 2 weeks! Everyone should grab a pitch fork and torches and go to his warehouse!!!

thats shocking but i doubt there is any proof

if you look at it from a different angle then this was a planned thing MAYBE
you trade for a few years with a few deals to build up a good rep then BANG hit people for the big yen
i dont think he will post or reply and those who have lost money need to club together to stand any chance of finding him
his rep is destroyed now so he has no chance of making money in this game under his own name but its very easy to start over under a new name so people should be careful of new sellers promising high end rays

judjing from what people have said this has happend several times and his rep has been destroyed over and over and yet its aparently happening again. it would be nice if there were some way of preventing this but as t1 said people find ways round everything and an easy way is to just build up a small rep and then discard it when the big money comes in. :(

its a shame for everyone involved (inc mike as we will hope that he didnt intend to be in this situation) but im sure it wont be the last time it happens it just brings the hobby down and creates more negative people like me lol

hope you guys get some sort of compensation, good luck :)

additional : i just had a look round and whilst i dont want to poke sticks at mike/h2o as i dont personally know whats true and whats not true or any of the facts but if he is out of business then im suprised the website / forum is still up and i hope you cant still place orders :s or if hes not out of business then maybe theres chance of getting sorted out yet :)
ref :
http://www.h2ocustomaquatics.com/index.html
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?170-H20-Custom-Aquatics
 
if he owed as much money as stated then as soon as the big money went in the bank would take it

as for a company loan from the bank he must of had one so he would have needed to put something up to cover that loan ie house or other assets

as for his website still being up that can run for ages after a company has gone under if he takes orders with that company if its gone under then he will be in troble for that as the company needs to stop trading as some as they declaired them self bankrupt

this is one of the reasons i would never buy anything from the net cash on collection for me so what if you need to drive a few 100 mikes to pick up its better than losing money and for $60 i would fly over box the rays up and make sure they are on the plane before i leave the seller

its all very well saying what you should do but this is about trying to get back money that is owed now
 
As johhnylighting said and confirmed by my attorney- his personal assets could come into play.



Well- so far that is the plan-we will see if he replaces it with anything.

Funny how many attorneys there are out and about on MFK. Truth is this can be handled in small claims court for $400 ish? Another $200 for process serving. Go to superior court in your state because this is between states. Also have all documentation printed and ready for the courts. Might take around 6 months to resolve.....

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Funny how many attorneys there are out and about on MFK. Truth is this can be handled in small claims court for $400 ish? Another $200 for process serving. Go to superior court in your state because this is between states. Also have all documentation printed and ready for the courts. Might take around 6 months to resolve.....

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I just stayed at a holiday express last night.

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