Min. tank sizes?

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After reading it all and trying to remember every point brought up (not including sarcasm and b*tch*ng, although that was fun) am i correct in assuming you're after something interesting and different, good personality, a touch of aggresion, but not super monster sized just monster sized? And you can only have one tank at a time?

I don't think anyone can really decide what fish you put in your tank or make a stock list apart from you, all we can do is advise you. What one MFKer thinks is a great fish another may not. So, my suggestions/advice would be to try and get the largest tank you can. You say the 150 is available now but it may be more long term beneficial to wait for a 240-300 to appear if you can. 26'x11' room sounds like a good sized area, i don't know what other furniture or belongings you have to accommodate in there but with the size of the area a larger than normal tank shouldn't look out of place. Stocking wise, it all depends on the capacity and dimensions of your tank what you can ultimately put in it, i'd seriously look at a 180 as a bare minimum (although you did say earlier that any grow outs could go back to the 1000g in you lfs (seems nuts to me, but then i do get attached to my fish!)) But a higher tank width than 2' will give you much more stocking scope, say 2'6" or 3'.

Until recently i had a Perruno/Marbled Pim Catfish which was very similar to an rtc, just different colouring, not as big, and provided lots of movement and activity during the day with a wonderful personality. Fed the right things from small it never showed any interest in live food. It was 18" when it prematurely died and was still growing slowly but not awear of any much larger than that. (although i'm sure someone can prove me wrong!) It's growth rate was much much slower than the tsn and rtcxtsn it lived with.

I do have a Lima Shovel Nose, it is out and active during the day, but tbh i do find it a little dull and boring. Just doesn't have the same personality as other large cats.

An ARTC (Asian Red Tailed Catfish) might work if you're feeling lucky. I think their maximum size is around 24" however they do have a lot of aggression and from what i've read you won't be able to keep other catfish or bottom dwellers with one but should be ok with fish at other levels of the tank if you have a well behaved one. Very trial and error between different individuals.

If you get a wide enough tank then you could try an Aro. Jardini are one of (if not the) the smallest species and probably won't go far beyond 24" but as was pointed out they do have anger management problems. If you lucked in to at least a 3' wide tank then a Silver Arowana would probably be happy there for a long while although could potentially grow longer than the tank is wide. Black Arowana are very similar to the Silver in shape (just a different colour.....bet you can't guess what that is!) but don't grow as quickly or as large and don't suffer drop eye. They are quite rare and expensive if cost is an issue but still cheaper than asians over here anyway.

You mentioned having something small and out of place too. I have/ended up with a 5" Red Tailed Black Shark that i never really wanted (long story) which has the aggression to hold his own with larger fish and not be eaten despite feeders that have been eaten being a similar size to him. It does look very 'out of place' seeing this 5" 'monster' survive with 18"+ catfish, pacu, and even a Dovii!

Hope that was of some kind of help, can't think what else to suggest right now, i normally just walk around my lfs and see what they've got and what might work at the right size!
 
You guys... no need to get offensive... seriously... he's had a tough time.

~ocean
 
This has been a funny tread to read. Hopfully you got some idea to what you want if not why not ask your friend since he owns the local fish store.
 
This thread is a hoot.

First off, stop dissing the "states" - I used to live in Michigan and I had a high level of respect for Canadians. We're not knocking you for living in the north, you can stop knocking us for living in the states.

If its hard to find a big tank in Canada, I suggest having one made. There's plenty of places that will build you a tank whatever size you want. You also have to realize, that this is MFK - Monster Fish Keepers! To many on this site, especially those that keep the fish you were originally asking questions about, a 100g tank is a growout, and a small one at that. We like monster fish, we buy monster tanks, we're geeky about monster filtration. Such is life. If you can't afford a big tank, get a job, if you have a job, save more money. Seriously though, you still live with your parents. Your private residence is your bedroom. Owning a monster tank will probably be difficult in your situation. So yes, I say work with what you can get.

You have to take a step back and realize in your current situation you can't stock monster fish. If you do try, you're going to end up with unhappy and stunted fish. They won't be healthy and in the long run, you probably won't enjoy keeping them because they'll be lifeless.

Also, you say you don't want your common "family room" fish. Thats fair, but the fish you asked about, are all pretty common fish on this website. Lima cats are nice and would work in the size of tank you're looking at. They're far more common than a tigrinus and far cheaper too. You may want to search for a spotted shovelnose catfish. Similar to a TSN, jsut spotted and grows to about the same size as a lima. Another fun cat would be a gulper catfish, but you probably wouldn't be able to keep very many other fish with it/them. I want to set up a 180g just to devote to these guys. They seem like they're a lot of fun.

I would also look into bichirs. Clown loaches could be fun too.

If you don't like cichlids then fine, but I really think you should look at some of the rarer ones you can get from Rapps and other vendors on the site. Not all of them are like the common ones you can get at your normal big box pet store.

Personally, I don't think Dats are your average "family room" fish either. They're a harder fish to keep healthy.

I also wouldn't overstock your tank if you're planning on keeping mini-monsters. I would overstock small community fish all day long and filter the bejeesus out of it, but with bigger fish, they need room to spread out a bit.
 
:nilly: Hey guys . . . Let's let this thread DIE!!! I think it's gone but it returns . . . It's like a having your home infested with mice or roaches . . . You set traps and lay down poison and they keep coming back.
 
thanks guys. a few helpful comments. and a speical thanks to satan's .. that was very helpful. i'm gonna check out the catfish that you had. see if it will work. right now i'm rying to figure out a stock list that will accomidate to each of the three levels of the tank. thinking 1 or 2 sens and a lima for the bottom. not sure about the middle and if i can get the tank for an arrow have the arrow on top .. a gar is something i want but not sure what level they are. am i wrong in saying they are mid-top but mainly top? and still debating moving my oscar over to that tank so i have something mainly min tank. and ya i'm looknig for something smaller that is active .. like 2 or 3 things that will not get killed but are pretty active to keep some movement through the whole tank .. the smaller fact is so that hopefully i can still have the fish i want plus a couple things that are pretty active.

and as for the aquarium built thing .. can you give me an idea as to where would make one so i can see what we have around here that might do it also .. buying a new all glass tank from my lfs's or chains i'm looking at $750 ish CAD for a 150 or $1100 CAD for a 180 then even more for bigger so they are a fair bit out of my price range at the moment. im still waiting for something to get posted online for sale but not having a whole ton of luck with it. the 150 i had offered i found out was 3 and a half hours away .. and not willing to go that far for something thats smaller then i might even want. so if a random glass company or something could make one for cheaper then the whole brand name idea let me know. if not i'll just have to cross my fingers and keep watching for a something big to come up.
 
phillydog1958;3605465; said:
:nilly: Hey guys . . . Let's let this thread DIE!!! I think it's gone but it returns . . . It's like a having your home infested with mice or roaches . . . You set traps and lay down poison and they keep coming back.

agreed. i thought it was gone .. ive gotten alot of help and have my mind half made up now but since two of the posts intrigued me i have the glass question now haha. i would try to make ti myself but i don't trust myself enough
 
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