How can you not agree?? When is a cigarette ever that important? Now, Im not for having people having their kids taken away, but when trash is trash it should be marked accordingly. Yes, I think smoking in the car with your kids in it is trashy, sorry.
Mom arrested for taking 5 year-old tanning
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How can you not agree?? When is a cigarette ever that important? Now, Im not for having people having their kids taken away, but when trash is trash it should be marked accordingly. Yes, I think smoking in the car with your kids in it is trashy, sorry.
In the posts were I discussed finaticism I clearly stated that I believe all people should be entitled to thier own oppinon, but expecting and forceing that opinion to be upheld by others was the point I was making. I dont defend the misplaced priorities in the presence of children. Only the right to decide what those priorites are are on an individual basis. I dont hide behind a flag, maybe behind my galaxy tab and an SP590, and I am very opinionated but I dont expect that to change the opinions of others although I will diplomaticaly try without the threat of removing rights forcefully.
The pionts I raise have no intended defense for the womans tact intellegance or habits still only the right to do so, I do see that it says cildren under the age of 14 are prohibited from being in a tanning booth in nj. This is the nj law there for it must be followed but if this woman is convicted the tanning salon should be charged as well for allowing the illegal activity to take place in thier buisness. If the woman is not lieing and the child never recieved the illegal service then there is no grounds for a case.
I dont condone 2nd hand smoke period but to prove and enfore that law is almost impossible, we are innocent until PROVEN guilty. 9 times out of 10 there will be no proof, just he said she said
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Lol as I saw this I see on channel 5 this article! Crazy if you ask me
I'M ANDREW AND I'M A FISHAHOLIC
-Andrew
I'M ANDREW AND I'M A FISHAHOLIC
-Andrew
We can't take people's kids away from them just because we don't agree with their lifestyles. What if next someone comes along and says that fish keepers can't keep their kids because they will neglect their children in lieu of their fish? Or that large tanks are a hazard? Most people forget about "innocent until proven guilty" when kids are involved. Yeah, yeah, I know, you're the protector of our nation's youth, but if it were up to most people, this woman would lose her daughter without even a trial. It should be easy enough to verify whether or not the woman put her daughter in a tanning booth, and until then, why don't we all take a second to think about what we're typing... mainly suggesting that this woman should lose her daughter because someone halfway across the country read an article title (and probably not the article itself) and has passed judgement immediately and instinctively from an emotion response.
I agree with the woman's reality being distorted concerning her own looks and priorities concerning them versus her health, but that's it. The comment tired of damaged people raising damaged kids how ever I believe is fundamentally flawed as we're all damaged in some way or another. I doubt anyone will claim they're perfect and anyone who does in my opinion has their own sense of reality distorted.
I'm sorry I don't care for this statement as in my opinion it implies that you support prejudice. I believe it's a very flawed way of thinking to prejudge someone based on looks and society as whole seems to agree as being prejudice is associated as a stigma. I don't hear people often praising others for prejudging, though I imagine many of us do it without realizing. Still when we do many of us realize we're wrong for doing it we try to correct it, which I believe is the right way to handle it. You how ever in later posts defend your prejudice. As stated above I believe the woman's perception of reality seems distorted but I don't jump to the conclusion that it makes her automatically a bad parent. She may even realize it's a poor choice, but do to insecurities is unable to stop herself from doing it. Yet may still discourage her daughter because of said realization stating that tanning is bad for your health. It does happen as I'll try to show in a response to another post.
definition of prejudice: Preconceived opinion not based on reason or experience as defined by the online dictionary
I believe you judging someone by look alone fits the description above as it's not based on experience or reason. If you disagree please tell me how it doesn't fit the description so I may be enlightened.
I'm a parent and had to take introduction to Psychology and Sociology as prerequisites in college. I may not be as well versed in Psychology as you are, as you say your a Psychologist but I still have a firm grip on the basics. I also know one of the first things that you learn is to be objective and to never assume. Something your doing here by assuming that the girl will grow up troubled. This is not always the case and I've had personal experience in the matter of parenting versus actions. My grandparents on both sides(mom&dad) where heavy smokers, smoked about 2-3 packs a day. Yet despite this they discouraged their children from smoking as they knew about the health risks. Also despite their actions what stuck with their kids(10 between both sets of grandparents) was the warnings as not a one of them smoke. I on the other hand was never subjected to smoking as my grandparents had quit later in their lives am a smoker. So despite never seeing or being exposed to talk of it it I still smoked. So sometimes what a parent does isn't as important as what they enforce or teach despite their actions. Case in point here are 10 exceptions just in my family alone.
I agree 100% with rollins as I stated before I believe judging by appearance is being prejudice. I also agree that to some extent we're all damaged and with that said who decides what's acceptable damage as to necessitate a law and it's enforcement? Seeing as people all have differing opinions on it, as people in power change we'll see more changes to the laws and what's acceptable. We'll have opened the floodgates by being so passive now, by justifying the limitation of certain civil rights now. Eventually the government will have more control over our lives than we do and all under the guise of what's best for us. I find it scary how supportive some people are of our civil liberties being limited more day by day Where's the line drawn? Making us eat healthy? eat organic food only? not smoking? not drinking? you've got to exercise? it's illegal to be obese? it's illegal to have poor hygiene?All these things are bad for us and our kids so where do we start and where do we stop? Seriously over eating is extremely bad for your health and a child can be influenced by having obese parents. Are we gonna start fining obese people who have children? Who decides whose damaged just the right amount as to judge others and make these laws? Inglorious brought up the same point I just expanded on it. These are questions we should be asking ourselves when things like this come up.
Isn't it kind of hypocritical to use a civil liberty to defend you tearing down another civil liberty? It's like saying I have the freedom to support freedom being taken away from others, which just strikes me as really weird. As far as misplaced priorities there's some who would say judging people by appearance alone would be just as harmful and some who would say even more so as it promotes thinking of an unreasonable nature. It's the very same line of thinking that led to racism and such atrocities as slavery and the holocaust which in my opinion is extremely detrimental for our future and our kids. People where judged as whole in both instances by either appearance or by religious beliefs and persecuted by people who in power with no reasoning other than that. They judged them without reason or experience and those in a position of power made laws hiding behind the guise of what's better for society and a lot of people swallowed it. Also by your line of thinking should your freedom of speech be taken away? Or maybe you just get fined if someone sees you talking in a prejudging way infront of kids? By many it would be considered detrimental so should your liberties be walked on because of it.
This is about the only thing I agree with you on and I'm a smoker. I find it repulsive that people would sacrifice their children's health for what amounts to a few seconds or minutes of pleasure.
I apologize if I've offended anyone in this post, I reiterate these are my opinions and I'm neither so prideful or presumptuous as to believe I'm totally right or that I'm perfect. I also want it to be understood that I agree with it being unhealthy for a child to tan in this way and that something should be done to prevent kids from being subjected to it. What I have a problem with is the assumptions made when there's no evidence other than this woman's appearance. I just feel it's best not to judge by appearance the world around us proves that everyday not to mention the tons of kids cartoons that promote being open minded enough not to judge people by appearance. Perfect example would be serial killers presently. By all appearances they are fine upstanding citizens, they dress well, speak well, have goods jobs, good hygiene and in general come off as productive members of society. Yet nothing could be farther from the truth. Again I apologize if I've unintentionally insulted anyone, but I just wanted to voice my opinion. I also feel we should be very careful and wary of laws like this as to make sure that the government isn't going too far and that this doesn't become a police state. It's a slippery slope when we start giving up our liberties to the government and trusting them to do what's right. We may find one day that all our freedoms have been taken away for our personal protection.
Let me rephrase/ I think children taken away for the first offense is a little much. Maybe a hefty fine first time around. As a an ex smoker I stupidly smoked with my daughter in the car until my mother-in-law went crazy on me. I never smoked around anyone after that but at the time didn't realize out of ignorance how unhealthy it was for her.
I am not politically savey but I can see when our rights are being taken away. The rights that so many Americans before us suffered and died for.
Patriot act severly impacted our rights more than most would believe
Kolt they have begun to srtip us of our freedom of speech already, protesting has been the backbone of resistance in the history of this countrys people fighting to ammend and uphold our rights.
H R 347 bill was recently passed, while appearing to protect elected officials, it removes the right to protest "freedom of speech" in many circumstances with the threat of up to 10 years in jail.
http://www.inquisitr.com/206017/president-obama-signs-anti-protest-bill-h-r-347/
In ny our gun laws are extremely restricted, and constant movement to remove these rights is a ever waging war
Soon like the snakeheads we will lose our rights to many more spieces of fish this is a fact , while some snakeheads can be invasive here tropical varients that I owned as a teen could never survive in this climate (ny) but the right to own all were removed.
Once rights are easily stripped from us while most Americans dont care and just think that it doesnt effect them, it is almost impossible to easily regain those rights. Personally I dont even know how to make a positive differance but it makes me sick.
And damn the red light cameras, even supreme cout judge fought to no avail to have them removed claiming they are unconstitutional.
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I know bro, I just didn't want to come off as one of those conspiracy theory guys.lol! I'm aware of the passing of the H R 347 bill, and my father and I as well as some of my friends talked at length about it and it's ramifications. We also talked about how understated it's passing was in the media. It wasn't given the right amount of prominence in the news especially when you consider it was a big change to one of our most prominent and important freedoms, the right to free speech.
To be honest I'm very afraid of the way things are going in our country. I try my best to ignore the problem, because truthfully the majority of the public seems to be blind to what's happening. As a matter of fact the government has used the media to make us so afraid of each other, that the majority of the public is cheering these laws. So afraid of our own neighbors that we're so ready to think the worst of them, that we'll allow the government to take away our liberties just so we can get protection from their perceived threat. The world hasn't changed politicians have been doing this for ages, case in point Hitler made the German people fear and hate the jews as a way of instituting laws against those of the judaic faith. The people over come with fear from propaganda gave into their worse instincts and allowed atrocities to come to pass out of fear. Fear is a great motivator it's used in every political and religious institution. Unfortunately it's seen as the most efficient way of controlling the masses and even more unfortunate than that, is it's seems to be true. Religion tells us to fear what repercussions our actions may have and what await us in the afterlife if we don't follow the moral codes set forth by religion. The government constantly tells you how great you are and how horrible everyone else is and how you need ever encroaching laws against your civil liberties to protect you from them. It's apparent even in this thread. People think they're of a better character than others and believe that while they themselves don't need such laws, their are others who do. What is that if not fear promoted by media propaganda to think less of your neighbors so as to make you more comfortable to institute these laws. The world hasn't changed people, there aren't more bad people in this world now your just more aware of it. We've always been prone to giving in to the worst sides of us and some have always been weaker and gave into them. The difference is society now makes sure you don't miss a beat of it.
I for one am totally against the extreme restrictions placed on our gun laws. The amendment the right to bear arms was created to protect us from threats foreign and domestic(such as an ever growing tyrannical government). Instead they've twisted it to make you fear that freedom that right. Now it's not you can use a gun to defend yourself and your family it's oh my god you know there's crazy people out there if we let them get guns you'll be in danger. Never mind the fact that they're only making it harder for a law abiding citizen to get a gun and not necessarily those who are willing to break the law. In my opinion they're only making it harder for someone who abides by the law and who wishes to protect their family to do so. The government though sees this as a way to slowly eliminate the right all together and in that respect make it impossible for anyone to get a gun as it would suit their needs. Create a country that has no means to protect itself from tyranny. See I was afraid I'd come off like a nut.lol! Seriously though they may not realize that's what they're doing, but trust me subconsciously their laws are created out of fear and the only way people know how to stop being afraid of something is to try and exert total control over it, whether that control is real or imagined. And to the government there is no greater fear than of a uprising of a mass of armed citizens.
I definitely don't agree with the limitations of exotic animals as they stand now and where they seem to be going. The government really doesn't put enough research into these laws as to them they're unimportant except in the way that it affects them. They make broad sweeping definitive laws with little to no research as they don't think it's important enough to waste what they consider valuable time and resources. So very basic investigations are made and laws are passed based on the little information they have. Their have been animals that are banned that have very little chance of establishing themselves in the wild and decimating our indigenous wildlife or pose a threat to society. How else can you explain the banning of these animals if proper research was done by the government?
The fact is even you who don't agree with me now, you probably will someday soon. Because with all these new laws being passed everyone will find themselves on the wrong side of one of them at one time or another. You'll start seeing just how much control the government winds up having over aspects of what you thought was you personal life and rights.
Wow, I sound super fanatical.lol! So I'll shut up now and just make sure to point out these are my opinions and how I'm interpreting what's going on in the world today and I still believe in the right for others to have their opinions and the right to express them regardless of how much they disagree with mine.
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I love the idea of tanning salons!
Never been to one, never will bit what they represent is wonderfully amusing.
Kinda like extensions and color contacts on black women, only without the centuries of psychological oppression and cultural degradation. Lol. I'm an ass.
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I love the idea of tanning salons!
Never been to one, never will bit what they represent is wonderfully amusing.
Kinda like extensions and color contacts on black women, only without the centuries of psychological oppression and cultural degradation. Lol. I'm an ass.
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