Monster H. Aimara . Biggest in N.America!
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The TRUST said:
Very succinctly put TRUST.
Peanut, a rare monster fish like this is absolutely NOT profit driven. I don't know where you got that from. The risk is high like the trust says.
Profit driven sales are selling TSNs, RTCs and Pacus dime by the dozen. A large, rare, wild caught monster fish like this? No way. This is purely exclusivity, coolness, monster factor.
I don't really know George, I've talked to him by email a couple of times, but he seems a good guy.
And the only people I've known in Europe to import big monster fish like these are true hobbyists and monster fish lovers, not people trying to make a quick buck.
Agreed. George imported this beast to sell and profit of course, but the reason he
dared bringing a monster like this was he read a pretty arrogant "expert" in another board
saying that he cannot bring a monster like this.
Like Jed said, this kind of shipment is very risky, people in N.America do not buy fish worth in the thousands every day. Thing is , you do not piss of a guy that has been importing and actually going to s.america way before some of us ate our first sushi.
dared bringing a monster like this was he read a pretty arrogant "expert" in another board
saying that he cannot bring a monster like this.
Like Jed said, this kind of shipment is very risky, people in N.America do not buy fish worth in the thousands every day. Thing is , you do not piss of a guy that has been importing and actually going to s.america way before some of us ate our first sushi.
I am absolutely amazed and proud to see these recent posts. Of course, I am a businessman, and run a business buying and selling fish. But I proud to say I am a fish hobbyist even more so, and have been for, as has been said, longer than many of the so-called experts have been alive. I still get off opening boxes of fish and saying "OH SH1T. Look at that fish! "
I don't have a major problem with this recent so-called expert from Japan. He has greatly increased our knowledge of Hoplias aimara far above my basic level, and to this we should be greatful. Thank you !!! BUT he did overstep the bounds of common sense, pretending to know EVERYTHING about this business. Well, he was just wrong. His first mistake was "correcting several inaccuracies" in a post I made a couple weeks ago. At the time, I let it slide because if these 2 monsters that came in ended up DOA, I didn't want a full plate of crow to have to swallow. Why was he wrong? Because he failed to notice the "quotation marks" around those comments! They were taken verbatim from a post from the shipper. They were not my words at all. And I would have to believe the shipper knew better about to whom, and what he shipped to Japan, than a groupie, wanna-be expert.
He was also mistaken when he said both fish would be in Japan before they would ever get to the States. What an insult, not only to me, but the shipper as well. And when there was rumor that they in deed HAD landed here, he insisted that they could never be larger than 18". And he repeated kept mentioning what poor condition they would be in, even if they were larger than 18", because all the large ones that made it to Japan were in such poor shape. I will get to some pictures, but trust me, these fish are P E R F E C T and if they weren't, I would have eatten a huge loss.
I can't find it now, but I particularly like the recent comment that this probably was the poorest investment "George has ever made". It's funny, but I used those same words about a week ago talking to someone about this transaction. The odds of a positive return after bringing in 2 of these beasts, in good condition, ALIVE, and resaleable, with an investment of THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS were, in my opinion, was less about 10% particulary if you listed to all the EXPERTS. This was a VERY bad investment, but I am a gambler, and I like taking the short side, if there might be a favorable outcome. And showing all the EXPERTS that they don't know jack about how this business really runs, well, just made it all worth while.
Please don't resent a business man for making a profit, for without that, there is no reason to take a chance, and if we never took a chance, I personally can make a long list of fish we would never have seen.
In closing, let me thank my supporters, many of whom I do not even know their names, who kept an open mind, and balanced some of the debate. I particulary like the gentleman who started the thread on the 'other board', who stated that even tho I would never take his phone calls, it still was the best fish he had ever seen (not a direct quote). All those other threads have now been deleted, and all we have left is another first, another nice fish for some lucky hobbyist to enjoy. And if he sits here on display for 5 years, hundreds, make that thoussands, of people will see him that never would have ever had that chance. What's next ???? How about some nice juveniles? I think there is room in the hobby for some of these. What do you think?
I will get some pictures, and discuss some other issues, both here, and in my other forum.
Peace,
george
I don't have a major problem with this recent so-called expert from Japan. He has greatly increased our knowledge of Hoplias aimara far above my basic level, and to this we should be greatful. Thank you !!! BUT he did overstep the bounds of common sense, pretending to know EVERYTHING about this business. Well, he was just wrong. His first mistake was "correcting several inaccuracies" in a post I made a couple weeks ago. At the time, I let it slide because if these 2 monsters that came in ended up DOA, I didn't want a full plate of crow to have to swallow. Why was he wrong? Because he failed to notice the "quotation marks" around those comments! They were taken verbatim from a post from the shipper. They were not my words at all. And I would have to believe the shipper knew better about to whom, and what he shipped to Japan, than a groupie, wanna-be expert.
He was also mistaken when he said both fish would be in Japan before they would ever get to the States. What an insult, not only to me, but the shipper as well. And when there was rumor that they in deed HAD landed here, he insisted that they could never be larger than 18". And he repeated kept mentioning what poor condition they would be in, even if they were larger than 18", because all the large ones that made it to Japan were in such poor shape. I will get to some pictures, but trust me, these fish are P E R F E C T and if they weren't, I would have eatten a huge loss.
I can't find it now, but I particularly like the recent comment that this probably was the poorest investment "George has ever made". It's funny, but I used those same words about a week ago talking to someone about this transaction. The odds of a positive return after bringing in 2 of these beasts, in good condition, ALIVE, and resaleable, with an investment of THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS were, in my opinion, was less about 10% particulary if you listed to all the EXPERTS. This was a VERY bad investment, but I am a gambler, and I like taking the short side, if there might be a favorable outcome. And showing all the EXPERTS that they don't know jack about how this business really runs, well, just made it all worth while.
Please don't resent a business man for making a profit, for without that, there is no reason to take a chance, and if we never took a chance, I personally can make a long list of fish we would never have seen.
In closing, let me thank my supporters, many of whom I do not even know their names, who kept an open mind, and balanced some of the debate. I particulary like the gentleman who started the thread on the 'other board', who stated that even tho I would never take his phone calls, it still was the best fish he had ever seen (not a direct quote). All those other threads have now been deleted, and all we have left is another first, another nice fish for some lucky hobbyist to enjoy. And if he sits here on display for 5 years, hundreds, make that thoussands, of people will see him that never would have ever had that chance. What's next ???? How about some nice juveniles? I think there is room in the hobby for some of these. What do you think?
I will get some pictures, and discuss some other issues, both here, and in my other forum.
Peace,
george
ok to whoever said that shipping large fish in the us is expensive the only reason that it is expensive is because the cost of the shipping materials it is cheap to send it air cargo i am getting a 300lb crate and it only cost me $60 for aircargo who ever is charging you outrageous prices is getting you in the wallet hard core
rottbo said:
I hope you understand that there is a difference between shipping a non perishable 300 pound crate vs. a shipment of live fish. Even though both will fly by air. It's almost like comparing the price of ground vs. next day air. Your pallet may sit up to a week before there is room on the plane for that price. With these wolves, it's almost like booking a seat on the plane! Adhered to the box will have a sticker called..."Must Fly". This means it has to leave on a specific flight at a specific time. This is VERY expensive but very reliable as well. Just the other day someone ask me to ship him a box. The shipping range was between $465.63 down to 60.50. I think you now have an understanding about how freight works. Please do your homework before commenting.
rottbo said:
Dookie is right. I would like to see you get the same $60 for shipping fish boxes weighing 300lbs. So before you start saying stuff like you might wnat to try getting a few large fish shipped to you and you will see how that adds up. I've been shipping and receiving big fish for years now and I know what I am saying when it comes to costs. Standard average cargo shipping costs within the USA ranges from $55-$75 (usually for up to 100lbs) depending on the Airlines and this is REGULAR CARGO. Not even a Next Flight Guarantee or a Must Fly.
