Motaguense variant i.d.

[VRWC]

The last pic he posted are 100% freddies not rtm in any way they aren't even red; trust me I've owned a few of both species.

lol..I have as well, with a breeding pair of RTMs right now.

These, (which is the last pic posted by jimmy side eye, are the ones I was talking about in the post you disagreed with):

are what youre calling freddis?

I disagree completely. They are saturated in red and are motaguenese.

It doesnt sound to me like you read the thread from the beginning still.

Heres mine below, originally at my house, now being housed on a local university campus. They are the same species as the ones above, that jimmy side eye posted as a pic he found on

http://www.hobbykwekers.nl/parachromis-friedrichsthalii

posted as freddis, which I disagree with.

 

[cichlidinsomniac]

lol..I have as well, with a breeding pair of RTMs right now.

These, (which is the last pic posted by jimmy side eye, are the ones I was talking about in the post you disagreed with):

are what youre calling freddis?

I disagree completely. They are saturated in red and are motaguenese.

It doesnt sound to me like you read the thread from the beginning still.

Heres mine below, originally at my house, now being housed on a local university campus. They are the same species as the ones above, that jimmy side eye posted as a pic he found on

http://www.hobbykwekers.nl/parachromis-friedrichsthalii

posted as freddis, which I disagree with.

Sorry, but those are freddies and 100% not red; they are this color

 

[VRWC]

Actually, those in the picture would be considered red by most anyone (just like an RTM..look at mojos pics above, that is as red as those in the pic were talking about). yes, the fish have gold in them, but like an RTM does as well, Id still consider them red.

These freddis would be the color of your lemon:

Big difference.

I will concede the fact that maybe they are freddis and a variant that Ive never seen. All of them that Ive had have been yellow like the pictures I posted above...

I still think theyre RTMs though.

 

[cichlidinsomniac]

Actually, those in the picture would be considered red by most anyone (just like an RTM..look at mojos pics above, that is as red as those in the pic were talking about). yes, the fish have gold in them, but like an RTM does as well, Id still consider them red.

You might want to get your wife or a friend's opinion on the fish's color because there is absolutely no red on them whatsoever.

 

[VRWC]

I already did..4 students and a professor of Marine Biology that agreed they are the same red (shade, not exact color) as the RTMs mojo has in the pics he posted. To top it off, Im on a 28" calibrated monitor for CADD/multimedia design/Hi-Res print.

Are you really going to say that these 2 fish arent the same red shade or wouldnt be considered "red" by 99% of fishkeepers?

Theres more red in the fish youre calling a freddi than the pic of the RTM mo has taken.

(sorry Mo if this is improper use of your pic or infringement of some sort)

 

[cichlidinsomniac]

I already did..4 students and a professor of Marine Biology that agreed they are the same red (shade, not exact color) as the RTMs mojo has in the pics he posted. To top it off, Im on a 28" calibrated monitor for CADD/multimedia design/Hi-Res print.

Are you really going to say that these 2 fish arent the same red shade or wouldnt be considered "red" by 99% of fishkeepers?

Theres more red in the fish youre calling a freddi than the pic of the RTM mo has taken.

(sorry Mo if this is improper use of your pic or infringement of some sort)

Well sorry to tell you they are all wrong the fish in the picture is not red at all

 

[VRWC]

lol. whatever...

 

[cichlidinsomniac]

lol. whatever...

I'm just waiting for someone else to chime in

 

[Jimmy Side eye]

Those are Red Tiger Motaguense, not Freddis. hobbykwekers.nl is mistaken..and that male doesnt resemble yours at all, at least not in the pics. It completely resembles the pictures AquaMojo put up. Do you really not see that? Are you trying to pull everyones leg? Like 4 people have told you EXACTLY what you have and its almost like you refuse to believe it.

No offense intended, just wondering...

Its not that i refuse to believe it, but the more i research my fish the more confusing it is getting!!??

I have had about 10 people tell me through pm's and chat rooms that my male is NOT a Freddie!! Some dont know what he is, most think hes a cross. So forgive me for not taking yours and Mos words on this, its not that i dont respect your opinions, quite the opposite.

The reason im not 'immediately' accepting that i have 2 seperate species in my pair, is that if you are correct, i will be moving these beautiful fish onto someone else and wanted to be 100% sure of their id before i did so.

Thanks for posting Cichlidinsomniac, i appreciate you helping me with this subject buddy.

My pair DO resemble these fish in my last pic as far as im concerned, and like my fish ( the female inparticular) these have no gold reflective lining around their black facial markings, that i see with all Motas. The male in the pic is obviously much older than mine, and thus his body patterning differs slightly due to his maturity IMO. I think this needs to be taken into account when making comparisons.
Finding this picture has thrown a spanner in the works as to me it shows a more orange/bronze variant of Freddie, ( I know your gonna disagree VRWC) that IMO, does resemble my pair

Taking onboard Cichlidinsomniacs opinions on the matter, it would seem that the true identity of the female is more important now, as the male is quite possibly definitely Freddie. If there is any possibility that she could be in any way, a race of freddie, this would be a great result for me. This is a long shot as 'everyone' ive showed pics to has confirmed she's a Mota.

As it so happens i have purchased a pair of Freddies this weekend and im waiting for them to settle in, theyre a bit washed out at the moment. Im very keen to make comparisons once theyve coloured up.

Cichlidinsomniac, would you care to examine my origional photos of my fish and give your opinions? We seem to have been distracted from my origional question.

Best case scenario for me, is that i have a pair of fish that are the same species. Freddy, mota or whatever. ( looking to be possibly freddie)


Thanks for taking the time to assist me everyone. All your opinions are being taken onboard, i will get to the bottom of this eventually. Im not being ignorant in any way to any opinions, im just trying to explore every possible avenue.

Wayne

 

[Jimmy Side eye]

I will concede the fact that maybe they are freddis and a variant that Ive never seen. All of them that Ive had have been yellow like the pictures I posted above...

I still think theyre RTMs though.

regarding my male, he has never exhibited 'Yellow' colouration. He has always been Bronze, with orange in the head from time to time.
The female is orange and occasionally very deep orange/red.