Motaguense variant i.d.

[cichlidinsomniac]

Its not that i refuse to believe it, but the more i research my fish the more confusing it is getting!!??

I have had about 10 people tell me through pm's and chat rooms that my male is NOT a Freddie!! Some dont know what he is, most think hes a cross. So forgive me for not taking yours and Mos words on this, its not that i dont respect your opinions, quite the opposite.

The reason im not 'immediately' accepting that i have 2 seperate species in my pair, is that if you are correct, i will be moving these beautiful fish onto someone else and wanted to be 100% sure of their id before i did so.

Thanks for posting Cichlidinsomniac, i appreciate you helping me with this subject buddy.

My pair DO resemble these fish in my last pic as far as im concerned, and like my fish ( the female inparticular) these have no gold reflective lining around their black facial markings, that i see with all Motas. The male in the pic is obviously much older than mine, and thus his body patterning differs slightly due to his maturity IMO. I think this needs to be taken into account when making comparisons.
Finding this picture has thrown a spanner in the works as to me it shows a more orange/bronze variant of Freddie, ( I know your gonna disagree VRWC) that IMO, does resemble my pair

Taking onboard Cichlidinsomniacs opinions on the matter, it would seem that the true identity of the female is more important now, as the male is quite possibly definitely Freddie. If there is any possibility that she could be in any way, a race of freddie, this would be a great result for me. This is a long shot as 'everyone' ive showed pics to has confirmed she's a Mota.

As it so happens i have purchased a pair of Freddies this weekend and im waiting for them to settle in, theyre a bit washed out at the moment. Im very keen to make comparisons once theyve coloured up.

Cichlidinsomniac, would you care to examine my origional photos of my fish and give your opinions? We seem to have been distracted from my origional question.

Best case scenario for me, is that i have a pair of fish that are the same species. Freddy, mota or whatever. ( looking to be possibly freddie)


Thanks for taking the time to assist me everyone. All your opinions are being taken onboard, i will get to the bottom of this eventually. Im not being ignorant in any way to any opinions, im just trying to explore every possible avenue.

Wayne

I do believe the male is a freddy or like you said it could be a hybrid of a mota and freddy; last year my male rtm bred with my female freddy over an rtm female.

 

[cchhcc]

I'm just waiting for someone else to chime in

Would love to, but I don't even know exactly which fish you're talking about anymore.

 

[Jimmy Side eye]

Would love to, but I don't even know exactly which fish you're talking about anymore.

LMAO

Stirrer!

Ok to clarify.

Are these a pair of freddies??

Or is this female a RTM. ( Note she doesnt and has never exhibited the 'prominant' golden/reflective lining around her black facial markings, that all RTM females have)

And is this a male Freddie

My opinion as it stands is that the male is def Freddie, but im unsure of the female. I would like her to be a Freddie but she does seem to be RTM.

 

[cichlidinsomniac]

are what youre calling freddis?

I disagree completely. They are saturated in red and are motaguenese.

Would love to, but I don't even know exactly which fish you're talking about anymore.

I was saying to vrwc there is no red on those fish and they are absolutely not rtm.

 

[capefeartarheel]

I was saying to vrwc there is no red on those fish and they are absolutely not rtm.

No Red? I think you need to have your monitor, glasses or lasik surgery checked man.

Those are as red as any RTM. The female actually looks JUST as red, if not more, then the female RTM in aquamojos pics. The male as well.

 

[cichlidinsomniac]

No Red? I think you need to have your monitor, glasses or lasik surgery checked man.

Those are as red as any RTM. The female actually looks JUST as red, if not more, then the female RTM in aquamojos pics. The male as well.

I don't know what kind of rtms you have but mine are about 1000 times redder than that, its not even red its a bronzish color so maybe you should get lasik.

 

[Jimmy Side eye]

I see no red.... but bronze.

Anyway.... lets not get distracted from the main reason i posted the thread. To find the identity of my fish.

Male seems to be unanomously Freddie, but what of my female??? Are people 100% sure she's Mota????

Cheers

Wayne

 

[DISCIPLE]

THIS THREAD WAS A EASY ONE TO ANSWER. MOJO AND A FEW OTHERS ME INCLUDED SEEM TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. YOU ALMOST SOUND LIKE THE DAD IN DENIAL "MY SONS NOT ***..HES JUST SENSITIVE LMAOOOOOO" WITH ALL THIS HES RED HES NOT RED. JUST FUNNY HOW THIS IS STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH. IDEA TAKE A PIC AND SEND TO THE SELLER AND ASK WHAT HE THINKS IT IS.

 

[Jimmy Side eye]

Ok


Lets lay this thread to rest.

Verdict:-

Male = Freddy
Female = RTM

Got it.

Wayne

 

[Jimmy Side eye]

Im gonna keep the freddy as hes stunning, but im gonna move the female on. I have also picked up a pair of freddies around 4-5" which are lovely.

Wayne