Moving Bed Filter

[I<3fish]

I saw the same illusion in the second picture that I<3fish did. The drip plate gave the illusion that the bio-balls were submerged. The wet/dry media is more efficient than submerged because it has the air as an O2 source. Japanese filters are extremely good at what they do because of their shear volume. The mechanical portions of the filter (mostly in 1st pic) also serve as bio-filtration. Since it is fully submerged, the bacteria gets its O2 from the water. If there is sufficient submerged media, it is possible for it to operate slightly anaerobic and consume nitrates. Ya can't argue with success.

Yeah, I just noticed the drip plate, my bad. But honestly people, bioballs submerged under water is a complete waste of bio filtration. But since you have that free space, go for an FBF. A lot of us MFK'ers need all the bio filtration we can get.

 

[I<3fish]

I would suggest ordering it online. Or using the really small bioballs.

 

[Dr Joe]

Foam in such a small space doesn't have the flow thru you need, you want basic surface area not nooks and crannies. Go with cut up straws (neatness doesn't really count in this case ) or if you have a gun shop near you get plastic shotgun wadding for reloading.


And what a great idea 'The Rat & CHOMPERS ' had about starting their own thread to discus the merits of the other filters used in large scale systems, I look forward to reading it.

Dr Joe

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[CHOMPERS]

 

[cockroach]

You could always find plastic recyclers and ask for plastic pellets as a far second place to fluid sand filter.

 

[justin guest]

LOL who said it is far superior to anything else
my posts have been pointed to you & Ullopin questioning the efficiency of this system. I have just stated that it must work for so many people to be using it.
Face it you jumped on the bandwagon with Ullopincrate and gave a negative view of this system not knowing one thing about it.

This type of filter doesn´t work as well as you think. In Germany this style of filter is slowly being replaced by more efficient systems. Kaldness in particular is only half as efficient as the manufacturer claims. More a case of customer hypnosis and good marketing than anything else. By the way I have extensive experience with these types of systems. I have to agree with Chompers on this one. One advantage is that the media doesn´t clog as easily (it still can) but that´s about it in my opinion.

j<><

 

[I<3fish]

This type of filter doesn´t work as well as you think. In Germany this style of filter is slowly being replaced by more efficient systems. Kaldness in particular is only half as efficient as the manufacturer claims. More a case of customer hypnosis and good marketing than anything else. By the way I have extensive experience with these types of systems. I have to agree with Chompers on this one. One advantage is that the media doesn´t clog as easily (it still can) but that´s about it in my opinion.

j<><

Finally, a person who actually has true information. I agree that it is DEFINITELY not as efficient as a wet/dry filter.

 

[Dkarc]

http://www.aquaticeco.com/subcategories/3869/Biomedia Aquatic Eco Systems also has some decent info regarding a moving bed bio reactor on their website.

-Ryan

 

[Dkarc]

This type of filter doesn´t work as well as you think. In Germany this style of filter is slowly being replaced by more efficient systems. Kaldness in particular is only half as efficient as the manufacturer claims. More a case of customer hypnosis and good marketing than anything else. By the way I have extensive experience with these types of systems. I have to agree with Chompers on this one. One advantage is that the media doesn´t clog as easily (it still can) but that´s about it in my opinion.

j<><

What are they replacing them with and why dont you think they work as well as claimed? What could be improved upon the design/function I wonder?

-Ryan

 

[Ramesh]

Chompers and Justin I know from personal experience have a wealth of knowledge on matters concerning filtration and setup and like myself are just sceptical of grandiose claims of what some may "percieve" to be the "best" filtration equipment and method.
Filtration is about cost/effectiveness/maintence/size but in the end it is the quality of water that you are trying to maintain or influence.
Doing this can be achieved numerous ways and all have pros and cons that must be weighed up and considered in achieving your goal in terms of water maintenance.
Don't be convinced by the razzle dazzle of big set ups when inexpensive DIY wet/dry's or sand filled FBF can achieve the same outcomes and effeciency at a fraction of the expence.
There is no "best" filtration just differences in terms of
cost/effectiveness/maintenance/size for any given purpose and I think that's what Chompers and Justin are getting.