My 210 FOWLR Turned Reef

[nonstophoops]

Unfortunately when they catch the lil' buggers in the ocean some ppl use cyanide. If they get a good dose the effects can be fatal not just on the short term but months after exposure.

As for activated Carbon it goes without saying that most chemical treatments stick to the carbon like glue as it should. Exceptions being Cooper-safe and sodium treatments. Unfortunately activated carbon is only good for about 30 days - if left unchanged, in time, it will release everything it has been holding back into the water.

I very highly doubt this guy was caught with cyanide. From the day he came to the LFS he was eating and swimming around and active. I had the owner hold him and hee was at the LFS for over 3 weeks. He was healthy and happy and even eating in the acclimation bucket when I brought him home. It was definitely something that happened in my QT.

The only treatments I use are Cupramine and Prazipro. The carbon is never in the tank more than a couple weeks. With the wrasse the carbon was in the tank for 2 days. Something else is going on with it. If it was leaching my copper levels would be higher too, and they aren't. Granted it couldn't leach in 2 days and couldn't make the copper level too high anyway because it was never too high for the last fish in there and before that it was completely cleaned up and empty.

 

[FLESHY]

Everything sounds real good except one thing....your a PACKER FAN! Lol I'm a Giants Fan, that was a close game for the giants last sunday...

Serious note:

I want to see a feeding video of your tank whenever you have time, that looks like an interesting varity of food...I thought my variety of NLS pellets, brine shrimp, misus in spinilia was variety lol...

Also I hear you on the random fish dying, like my scooter blenny who would eat mysis shrimp perfectly fine die in a week...I'm going to be setting up a permenant quarentine tank somewhere after sump installed so pretty sure I'm going to have to cycle it...for carbon I've never heard of that causing problems with the HOB I used (same model pretty sure AC)...

Think about this for variety - that is only one of five or six different frozen foods I feed. I only feed NLS two other times a day to round out the diet, get some extra garlic in there, keep color up, and fill up my fish.

And guess what - Im a packer fan too - so you are surrounded. I thought that was going to be a hard game although I didnt think the giants were that good of a football team. Good coaching though.

Cyaninde fish can actually have increased appetites though as well.

I seriously would cut the prazi - QM only uses it on special occasions - and like I told you before my brother and I talked about - to me it just seems like one more step to stress the fish out with.

 

[Kevin8888]

This is why I hate premtive medicating... it's only nessisary when dealing with parasites or fungi... as most other "infections" are only transmited to weak unhealthy fish... and to deal with parasites and fungi you have to use nasty medications...

Also... I really hope your not useing these at the same time (I know we discussed your pretreatment, but I cant remember specifics and am feeling kinda lazy today so don't want to look back on it haha)... as mixing meds is highly dangerous, even more so with copper ones (some can interact producing highly toxic copper compounds). For another they both treat for the same thing... extrenal parasites... I personally agree with Fleshy and would drop the Prazipro. Also, assuming you aren't mixing them, you should really change carbon between meds, as the compounds "absorbed" by the carbon, can still interact with things that haven't been absorbed, namely the new medication, and in theory make new and toxic compounds.

 

[nonstophoops]

This is why I hate premtive medicating... it's only nessisary when dealing with parasites or fungi... as most other "infections" are only transmited to weak unhealthy fish... and to deal with parasites and fungi you have to use nasty medications...

Also... I really hope your not useing these at the same time (I know we discussed your pretreatment, but I cant remember specifics and am feeling kinda lazy today so don't want to look back on it haha)... as mixing meds is highly dangerous, even more so with copper ones (some can interact producing highly toxic copper compounds). For another they both treat for the same thing... extrenal parasites... I personally agree with Fleshy and would drop the Prazipro. Also, assuming you aren't mixing them, you should really change carbon between meds, as the compounds "absorbed" by the carbon, can still interact with things that haven't been absorbed, namely the new medication, and in theory make new and toxic compounds.

Almost all fish will carry some sort of parasite when you get it. They are stressed, so they aren't healthy and they have been with a whole bunch of also unhealthy fish in all sorts of places.

I don't treat at the same time even though I know lots and lots of people do. Non chelated copper is not as dangerous as chelated is and that the chelated copper is what causing problems with stuff like Prazipro. They do not treat the same thing entirely. The Prazipro is for bacterial stuff and the copper for parasites.

I do switch the carbon between treatments and never reuse it.

 

[FLESHY]

Bacterial things arent your worst enemy.

9 times out of 10 you can see them when you get the fish - if not - being in a clean, healthy environment should fix fungus in and off itself.

Non stressed fish in a healthy, clean, environment shouldnt be getting bacterial or fungal issues either.

Cupramine obviously I am a believer in - It was hard for me to deal with that nasty strain of ich I had. That being said - less medication and less time spent in QT is better IMO.

 

[Wiggles92]

For now I just left my Apex Jr. running since I am going to be gone for the weekend. Reef Club Christmas Party, I hope there are sweet things in the raffle!! Then up north to get that tank setup which I am super stoked about. Had free tickets to the Packer game and passed to get this setup, I am that stoked!

Lastly, Forrest(Fleshy) and I are once again making a batch of our reef food. This version is new and improved and will include the following:

-1 pound tuna
-1 pound shrimp
-1 pound squid
-1 pound scallops
-1 pound crab
-1 pound lobster
-Some clams
-1 pound PE Mysis
-1 pound Reef Plankton
-1 pound Nutramar Ova
-1 bottle Selcon
-1 bottle Vitachem
-Some Garlic
-Some Zoe
-Some Marine C
-Maybe some vegetable matter

That's a lot of food split between us and it should last a long while. I am pretty excited to see how it turns out. No silversides this time(really messy with extra chunks that fish won't eat) and we are changing how we are blending and cutting it so we get a better assortment of particle size.

Skipping a Packers game and putting lobster in your fish food? What is this world coming to?

 

[Kevin8888]

Well glad to hear your smart about your medicating at least, I didnt suspect otherwise as from past converstations your clearly well informed, but I just thought I'd double check. It's still a bummer about the fish that die though... maybe try a different source? As your clearly getting a few overly stressed fish from this source, unless it's multiple sources in which case you have some bad luck with livestock... though have had good luck with equiptment pickups haha.

 

[nonstophoops]

Well glad to hear your smart about your medicating at least, I didnt suspect otherwise as from past converstations your clearly well informed, but I just thought I'd double check. It's still a bummer about the fish that die though... maybe try a different source? As your clearly getting a few overly stressed fish from this source, unless it's multiple sources in which case you have some bad luck with livestock... though have had good luck with equiptment pickups haha.

Yep. I really don't believe they were badly stressed. All of them but one were at the store for a long time and eating like crazy. Never in tanks with any aggression going on either. It is just confusing. Something in the Carbon is bad and killing my fish, period. Bad batch, I don't know, but it is what it is I guess. No more carbon for me.

Treat fish and when they leave for display replace all QT water with water from the display. Then the chemicals will be gone and the fish will be good.

Ha, ya. Equipment has been good lately. I also won a "portal" magnified viewing device that sticks to the side of the aquarium and also is a glass cleaner. Also won 25 bucks to Petsolutions.com and 20 bucks to our local fish store. Also bought an Aqua C Remora Pro with surface filter box for $30 from a guy in our club. Good day!!!

 

[nonstophoops]

Skipping a Packers game and putting lobster in your fish food? What is this world coming to?

HAHA!!! My mom asked me if I needed to see a doctor, lol.

 

[Kevin8888]

Yep. I really don't believe they were badly stressed. All of them but one were at the store for a long time and eating like crazy. Never in tanks with any aggression going on either. It is just confusing. Something in the Carbon is bad and killing my fish, period. Bad batch, I don't know, but it is what it is I guess. No more carbon for me.

Treat fish and when they leave for display replace all QT water with water from the display. Then the chemicals will be gone and the fish will be good.

Ha, ya. Equipment has been good lately. I also won a "portal" magnified viewing device that sticks to the side of the aquarium and also is a glass cleaner. Also won 25 bucks to Petsolutions.com and 20 bucks to our local fish store. Also bought an Aqua C Remora Pro with surface filter box for $30 from a guy in our club. Good day!!!

Just bragging now aren't you? lol

HAHA!!! My mom asked me if I needed to see a doctor, lol.

Oh you americans and your football... LOL