My cousin passed, in a bad way

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Lepisosteus platyrhincus;4539293; said:
gonna have to disagree.

63 shots is very obcessive. No reason for that many shots. None. If they had to fire that many times to subdue a subject they need to go to the fireing range a hell of alot more.
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Most cops do need to go to the range alot more. How many officers responded? Has it occurred to anyone else that not all shots were even intended to hit him? Cover fire is not intended to be precision fire. It lets someone else get the accurate shot. Its to keep the other person from firing back. Also how clear of a shot did they have at him to make that sniper pistol shot everyone wants the cops to make? Lighting, cover, concealment. All of these are a factor, not to mention fear, panic, adrenaline. Also, they are trained to hit more than once. Depending on what they were carrying, just 3 cops firing their pistols could easily let loose 45 rounds in under a minute. Im not saying their response was the best, we dont have enough information having not been on the scene, but they werent wrong.
 
What a beautifully written obituary. I am sorry for your loss and that of your family. My best advice for you is to not get caught up in the what-if's and just do the best you can to give and take support within your family. Best wishes with the long healing process.
 
SemperFish;4539313; said:
Most cops do need to go to the range alot more. How many officers responded? Has it occurred to anyone else that not all shots were even intended to hit him? Cover fire is not intended to be precision fire. It lets someone else get the accurate shot. Its to keep the other person from firing back. Also how clear of a shot did they have at him to make that sniper pistol shot everyone wants the cops to make? Lighting, cover, concealment. All of these are a factor, not to mention fear, panic, adrenaline. Also, they are trained to hit more than once. Depending on what they were carrying, just 3 cops firing their pistols could easily let loose 45 rounds in under a minute. Im not saying their response was the best, we dont have enough information having not been on the scene, but they werent wrong.
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this is true. but cover fire? um he pointed the rifle at them not fired. So no need for cover fire.

And they shouldnt have been shooting for a minute. Again, he fired 0. they fired 63. It should have been at max, 5 or 10 shots. Maybe more but no where near 63. Thats called bein trigger happy and not knowing how to hit ur target

not saying they are wrong, but something is up. either they were just trigger happy or they need retraining or something
 
Lepisosteus platyrhincus;4539327; said:
this is true. but cover fire? um he pointed the rifle at them not fired. So no need for cover fire.

And they shouldnt have been shooting for a minute. Again, he fired 0. they fired 63. It should have been at max, 5 or 10 shots. Maybe more but no where near 63. Thats called bein trigger happy and not knowing how to hit ur target

not saying they are wrong, but something is up. either they were just trigger happy or they need retraining or something
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You cant validate or invalidate a situation strictly based upon the number of shots fired.
I dont think they need to wait until he is firing at you to put down cover fire. Could it be he didnt get a shot at them because of the cover fire? That is the point of it. Even without cover fire its not excessive. It would be excessive if they fired, put him down and then closed in and continued to fire. but nothing indicates that.

Found this article online about the shooting
http://www.kget.com/news/local/stor...t-Bakersfield-man/aribmL88HUGtd6TtmNGF5A.cspx

He allegedly had fired the weapon 7 times prior to their response. At the point when they are responding - 7 officers and a sergeant, they dont know if hes shot 7 people or none.
8 people, firing pistols at night from 100 feet, unknown how much cover/concealment, unknown amount of movement. Thats a tough shot.
8 people can put out 63 shots in a matter of seconds. Ive fired over 20 rounds from my service pistol in about a minute myself, maybe around 90 seconds since i did take cover and reload. I suspect that when the weapon came around in their direction everyone opened fire. A reasonable response.

A commander with the sheriffs department is quoted as saying "officers will shoot until there if no longer a threat. But he says there is no policy in the department telling officers how many rounds they can fire. "To have a policy like that you would have to pre-arrange that. You would have to say as long as we have four officers here, and this one shoots this many shots, and this one shoots this many shots, and then we see what happens. You could see that is just not realistic and wouldn't work that way,"
A very good point. And could you imagine the backlash if someone had been shot by this kid while the police huddled up and discussed the plan?
 
msjinkzd;4539439; said:
I think what is relevant in this thread, is that its jason's family.
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I agree, and thanks for putting us in check.
My apolgies and condollences to the family.
 
SemperFish;4539446; said:
I agree, and thanks for putting us in check.
My apolgies and condollences to the family.
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Thank you, bud, I understand all that you are saying. Its just that I myself personally knew some officers who look forward to situations like this and brag about this stuff. Im not friends with them anymore, they may not be cops anymore. Everyone here is stating a lot of "facts" that even they no matter how brilliant they may be, and respectable, still dont know all the facts. Or if any of these particular officers were acting more out of fear, know how, experience and so on. Its ok, sure its something under investigation, and I know things the public cant know yet, but he is gone.



Either way no matter how it went down,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,before I worry about that I am more upset that his friends or himself never called me as the tough older cousin to come down and shake him up, my main wish in all of this is that you big brothers ,cousins, sisters, uncles or whatever, get your asss involved in the younger lives in your families. I wish he were alive so I could strangle him with his own rifle. Their was a time for several years in my 20s that I could have changed if someone would have shaken me up good enough. I know the fear of pushing ppl further is always their but youve gotta do something. What hurts me most, is I really think he would have listened. Though I know another cousin tried with him and it worked for a while, sometimes you gotta stay persistent though. All in all he is gone.

Thank you guys , ALL of you for your best wishes. I know its a public forum but check it out, its a forum created for all of us with the same interests to branch out and get to know each other on other levels as well. So its still a big MFK family so lets not get too heated with the shootout, maybe start another thread for it, if I get more facts that I can share then I will in time.
 
warmouth;4539762; said:
Sorry for your loss bro......its asways toughest when unexpected.
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Yeah I know, when my dad died in his crash 6 years ago it was out of this world. This though, even being closer to his parents than I was to him, the pain of his parents and immediate family is the hardest on me. They turn the reigns over to him you know, to watch him grow and be the future for the family as they grow old and its poof, gone.
 
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