My new pair of JDs

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Some interesting advice in here :screwy:

Jds are very skittish by nature and this goes double for ebjd. The only way to get them comfortable outside their nest is to have them get used to it. There are a few things that can aid this process.
1st method. A big male convict, or firemouth. Usually JD's arent very aggressive and when they see another fish his size out it will make him come out. I say convict because they are really not shy at all.
2nd method. Since danio have gotten eaten anything of equal size will be eaten as well. Tiger barbs usually do well in schools of 12-15 and if you get them as adults your JD wont be able to eat them
3rd method. This can sometimes be a bit stressful for the fish. But take all his hidding spots away. Forcing him to confront his environment and realizing nothing is going to attack him.
4th method. which you should use will all above. Do not reinforce hiding, by this i mean dont feed him when he hides. Of course give enough to sustain him but when he comes out to swim reward him with some goodies. Attempt some of the above methods and your JD will soon realize there are alot more entertaining things to do then sit and hide in a cave all day. Good luck, They are shy fish, but not so shy they should hide all day. A convict would really help out, 1 that wont get bullied around and not be overly aggressive.
Patience really is key.
 
FishingOut;4440533; said:
Some interesting advice in here :screwy:

Jds are very skittish by nature and this goes double for ebjd. The only way to get them comfortable outside their nest is to have them get used to it. There are a few things that can aid this process.
1st method. A big male convict, or firemouth. Usually JD's arent very aggressive and when they see another fish his size out it will make him come out. I say convict because they are really not shy at all.
2nd method. Since danio have gotten eaten anything of equal size will be eaten as well. Tiger barbs usually do well in schools of 12-15 and if you get them as adults your JD wont be able to eat them
3rd method. This can sometimes be a bit stressful for the fish. But take all his hidding spots away. Forcing him to confront his environment and realizing nothing is going to attack him.
4th method. which you should use will all above. Do not reinforce hiding, by this i mean dont feed him when he hides. Of course give enough to sustain him but when he comes out to swim reward him with some goodies. Attempt some of the above methods and your JD will soon realize there are alot more entertaining things to do then sit and hide in a cave all day. Good luck, They are shy fish, but not so shy they should hide all day. A convict would really help out, 1 that wont get bullied around and not be overly aggressive.
Patience really is key.

I just came across this post This might be good advice for JDs put I would never do that with a EBJD they are very sensitive and easily die from stress, young ones are really stressed easy. Ive been breeding them for over a year now. I would just give them time treat them to some blood worm a tiny bit everyday they will get used to you.:)
 
pat3612;4440556; said:
I just came across this post This might be good advice for JDs put I would never do that with a EBJD they are very sensitive and easily die from stress, young ones are really stressed easy. Ive been breeding them for over a year now. I would just give them time treat them to some blood worm a tiny bit everyday they will get used to you.:)

Yea, it's not soo bad anymore haha, it's been driving me nuts devoting my whole tank to him, but he does look nice and is starting to spunk up. Only other thing I've looked at is getting a handful of Festae young ones and raising up a female like I am with my calvus now, but we'll see...every time I get urges to swap the EBJD out he perks up a little more.

In the meantime, am I better off not having the females in the tank? They are basically the dithers, one sits on top of the powerhead, while the other sits behind a plant, it's depressing
 
olsonwa07;4440846;4440846 said:
Yea, it's not soo bad anymore haha, it's been driving me nuts devoting my whole tank to him, but he does look nice and is starting to spunk up. Only other thing I've looked at is getting a handful of Festae young ones and raising up a female like I am with my calvus now, but we'll see...every time I get urges to swap the EBJD out he perks up a little more.

In the meantime, am I better off not having the females in the tank? They are basically the dithers, one sits on top of the powerhead, while the other sits behind a plant, it's depressing
If you are this sensitive to fights in your tank, you don't want to raise Festae. The aggression of your JD pales in comparison. They are great cichlids to have. You just have to realize that fights will break out and as they grow older some deaths may occur. But having a single female would make a nice showpiece.
 
Gruff Master;4441941; said:
If you are this sensitive to fights in your tank, you don't want to raise Festae. The aggression of your JD pales in comparison. They are great cichlids to have. You just have to realize that fights will break out and as they grow older some deaths may occur. But having a single female would make a nice showpiece.

Yea, they aren't too bad I guess, and it's not that I'm really sensitive, I had johanni males in there before and they were way worse I think, just looks weird seeing them sitting at random spots in the tank. Anyway, I think the EBJD is going back to the pet store, I can prolly get the $35 I paid for him back as he's in better condition then when I bought him, and on top of that they randomly had a GT trade in to my surprise :nilly: didn't even plan on going to the area, but there was a powerman 5000 concert near and I said WTH :headbang2 he also had a black JD that looks ridiculously awesome! So I might pick both of them up, and maybe a convict or something, haven't decided. The EBJD is just too much of a sally for me, big letdown, I even put some giant danios in there and still nothing, the females were havin a blast picking on them haha (only a buck a piece at petsmart, can't go wrong, half price!).
 
Just thought I'd update you guys on what I decided; I did take the EBJD back after much thought, and picked up the GT and a regular male JD who was running the tank they were both in, and have been very satisfied with my purchase. I also took out much of the rockwork that allowed the fish to sit and hide all day prior to putting the new guys in, and so far everything has been going flawlessly.

I am in love with my GT, he's such a looker, and the male JD is already paired up with the dominant female in the tank, did their lip locking and fanning eachother within minutes of getting into the tank, so that was quite a sight. The dominant female definitely bosses the GT and subdom female around haha, probably to vent her stress from being bossed around by the male JD. The males pretty much leave eachother alone, though I think that might change when the GT puts a little size on himself (only 3 or 4" right now, around the same as everyone else).

Some pics!
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The VERY dominant female
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Male JD
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The GT looks good. Make sure you watch it for signs of sickness or parasites so that you can catch it early. They tend to have a knack of getting ill and dying suddenly. They need vegetable matter in their diet. Some people insist on feeding them garlic and blanched shelled peas to keep them healthy. But I do see some problems for your other fish arising when your JDs spawn. Be careful.
 
Gruff Master;4449135; said:
The GT looks good. Make sure you watch it for signs of sickness or parasites so that you can catch it early. They tend to have a knack of getting ill and dying suddenly. They need vegetable matter in their diet. Some people insist on feeding them garlic and blanched shelled peas to keep them healthy. But I do see some problems for your other fish arising when your JDs spawn. Be careful.

Thanks for the good info, I have some Hikari cichlid excel that is pretty veggie that I've been feeding as a staple for now, and maybe I'll stick with it, he seems to like it with the krill and bloodworm. I'll shell some peas and see if he likes those too sometime.

And yea, soon as I see any problems with the paired JDs in terms of serious injuries to the GT, they'll be gone, but for now they kind of do their own thing. I'll definitely be watching
 
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