my new pink-tail
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That was my initial thought, but if you look closely this fish does have a yellowish adipose fin. Moreover it looks quite different from my previous macrolepidota at the same size as seen on post 1 of this thread. It has more defined, darker scales and it is much more boisterous than my old macrolepidota ever was.
Oh well, probably just a variation of macrolepidota like you say.
The pics in Post18 has the body shape and finage of a Macro, but the conspicuous scales and a faint dot behind the gill plate resembles a Ery. I own both species and have a side by side pic for comparison.Yours could be a hybrid or a new species. I know there are more Chalceus species besides the two, but have never seen them in person.
You might want to have a look at your ID again. That one with the red blotches along the lateral line looks more like the C Epakros. The other one looks like the C Erythrurus.
Epakros below for reference.
Epakros below for reference.
I bought both as PT, not knowing the scientific name. If Epakros is the correct name, so be it. But most species pics in the web labeled it as Maco and this is how I back figured the name. So there are at least 3 species in LFS circulation.
Lololol were back on epakros now. I always thought the old PTC I had (pages 1 and 2) could've been epakros since it had some reddish spots. From what I've seen though, they are only identified as epakros if the entire length of the body is spotted, while macrolepidota seem to sometimes have just a few spots and sometimes none at all.
It would be very interesting if we could determine this fish to be a hybrid. Maybe as it develops it will morph into a definitive example of either though.
Those are both very nice chalceus thank you for sharing.
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There's been a lot of interest in this fish lately. I used to have one. I bought it in 2016 as a "pink tailed Chalceus". At the time I had no idea there were more Chalceus in the family. It wasn't until much later that I discovered there were more.
There are currently five known Chalceus.
1. C Epakros.
2. C Erythrurus (tucan fish).
3. C Guaporensis.
4. C Spilogyros.
5. C Macrolepidotus (common pink tailed Chalceus).
It seems that the most common one in the hobby, which is indeed sold as the pink tailed Chalceus, the Macrolepidotus, has some competition lol, which are muddying the waters.
My pink tailed Chalceus grew into a definite C. Erythrurus (the tucan fish). The only ones I've seen in the hobby are the Erythrurus and the Macrolepidotus, until I saw
tiger15
picture. That one, as you can see from the ref picture I posted is undoubtedly the C Epakros.
You may have a rarity there tiger15, I don't know. All I can say about
Backfromthedead
Chalceus is that it has no red blotches, so probably not C Epakros, and to me it doesn't look like the C Erythrurus either. Maybe C Macrolepidotus, the true pink tailed Chalceus???
If not, then you could possibly have one of the other two, the Spilogyros or the Guaporensis.
It's all very interesting that's for sure, lol.
There are currently five known Chalceus.
1. C Epakros.
2. C Erythrurus (tucan fish).
3. C Guaporensis.
4. C Spilogyros.
5. C Macrolepidotus (common pink tailed Chalceus).
It seems that the most common one in the hobby, which is indeed sold as the pink tailed Chalceus, the Macrolepidotus, has some competition lol, which are muddying the waters.
My pink tailed Chalceus grew into a definite C. Erythrurus (the tucan fish). The only ones I've seen in the hobby are the Erythrurus and the Macrolepidotus, until I saw
tiger15
picture. That one, as you can see from the ref picture I posted is undoubtedly the C Epakros. You may have a rarity there tiger15, I don't know. All I can say about
Backfromthedead
Chalceus is that it has no red blotches, so probably not C Epakros, and to me it doesn't look like the C Erythrurus either. Maybe C Macrolepidotus, the true pink tailed Chalceus???If not, then you could possibly have one of the other two, the Spilogyros or the Guaporensis.
It's all very interesting that's for sure, lol.
There's been a lot of interest in this fish lately. I used to have one. I bought it in 2016 as a "pink tailed Chalceus". At the time I had no idea there were more Chalceus in the family. It wasn't until much later that I discovered there were more.
There are currently five known Chalceus.
1. C Epakros.
2. C Erythrurus (tucan fish).
3. C Guaporensis.
4. C Spilogyros.
5. C Macrolepidotus (common pink tailed Chalceus).
It seems that the most common one in the hobby, which is indeed sold as the pink tailed Chalceus, the Macrolepidotus, has some competition lol, which are muddying the waters.
My pink tailed Chalceus grew into a definite C. Erythrurus (the tucan fish). The only ones I've seen in the hobby are the Erythrurus and the Macrolepidotus, until I saw
You may have a rarity there tiger15, I don't know. All I can say about
If not, then you could possibly have one of the other two, the Spilogyros or the Guaporensis.
It's all very interesting that's for sure, lol.
Hmmm you're convincing but I'm still on the fence. My old chalceus had spots just like tiger15s and everyone seemed convinced it was macrolepidotus.
Moreover, in this comprehensive write up on chalceus, it is stated that mature macrolepidotus can also have a darkened lateral line.
(PDF) Taxonomic revision of the South American fish genus Chalceus Cuvier (Teleostei: Ostariophysi: Characiformes) with the description of three new species
PDF | The Neotropical characid fishes of the genus Chalceus Cuvier, 1817, are reviewed. In total, five species are recognized (including three new... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
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There's quite a bit of info there...it seems the only 100% way to tell macrolepidotus from epakros is the presence of a cranial fontanel between the frontal and parietal bones in macrolepidotus that no other chalceus possesses.
Tbh im not sure if Luke had one or not...
tiger15
can we get a head on pic of your chalceus to compare?