My ongoing Panther Chameleon Thread

[Miguel]

Mig - twice a day does not sound bad at all. I looked at the system you suggested but it seems REALLY pricey for one lizard, that people claim are easy to take care of.

What do you keep that requires misting?



Sumpin' I'm not at liberty to divulge, my friend

 

[Gr8KarmaSF]

Next question, how long can a Panther go without any misting or food? Lets say I want to go away for the weekend? Must I get somebody to watch it and feed/water it daily?

Should I assume this is NOT a normal feeding?

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[Nic]

So the distilled water is to prevent it from clogging?

Nic - I never knew you kept anything other than fish, rays, and herpes!?!?

much to learn Mr herpes... much to learn

 

[Tequila]

Next question, how long can a Panther go without any misting or food? Lets say I want to go away for the weekend? Must I get somebody to watch it and feed/water it daily?

Should I assume this is NOT a normal feeding?

Hmmmmm, it doesn't really sound like your really interested in keeping a "cam" as you call them. I mean there are many many ways to keep all sorts of animals, some ways work better for some people than others. But it sounds like your looking for the cheapest and easiest way to keep a Chameleon alive that fits into your schedule and life style.

You seem to think that keeping a Chameleon should be as simple as keeping a house plant. Your questions seem to range from cost of this and that to can I go away for the weekend and not have to worry about feeding it or if it has water to drink for three or four days. Dude think of it like this if you were the "Cam" what would you perfer fresh food and water everyday or weekends and holidays you get no fresh water or food while your keeper goes on break.

Try thinking of your pet whatever it maybe as a CHILD would you leave your child alone with out fresh food and water while you went on holiday for the weekend every now and again. It's a living creature whatever you decide to get - fish, lizards, frogs, snakes, dogs, cats, birds, spiders etc, etc., Yes you will need to get someone else to feed and not just mist but give it water! That could mean sitting there until they witness it drink.

Even if it's a house plant I have someone drop by to water it if I go away even for a few days. I'm not saying that you should pull out all the stops for your pet but it is a living thing. It shouldn't have to suffer while your away. Or because you didn't wanna maintain this or that misting system even if you could afford it. Chameleons that are from tropical setting shouldn't have to settle for a 1~3 minute pump action bottle spraying one to two times per day.

All Chameleons should be supplied with a drip system of some sort regardless, for at least 12~18 hrs per day. Chameleons shouldn't have to go without water all day long except for when your ready to leave for work or when you return home. Being sprayed for a minute or two, two or three time per day is insane, especially on tropical chameleons.

I find it amazing that you would would even ask such as question. Call this my rant or whatever, I don't think you are ready for a chameleon. No, feeding a chameleon a fuzzy mouse isn't even good for the chameleon, that was done by someone seeking attention, trying for a little shock effect. That feeding was anything but good for the Mueller's Chameleon, you can see that the mouse was still alive even when the chameleon swallowed it. The tiny teeth the chameleon has didn't even break the skin on the fuzzy, nor did the Mueller's swallow it head first, I'm sure that that feeding was more problematic for the chameleon your seeing in the video.

 

[milokai]

J...I also have a screen tank outside where I have a hose and turn it on with a spray..to my chameleon, using warm water about 30- 1hour in HOT DAYS.....making sure they get water and full sun.

 

[chefjamesscott]

well for my chameleon I did a 2 step system, spray bottle and a frozen block of ice on top of the mesh enclosure.

the ice as it would melt would drip all over the plants inside the enclosure and the spray bottle was of course a more direct approach. the a word of warning if you have kids tell them that spraying the light bulb is a very bad idea lololol. my daughter blew up the heat lamp in lady beauty's enclosure thankfully no one was hurt in this mishap.

For feeding, I liked to take lady out and put the food into a big rubber made tub and let her climb up on my hand and snag em. I really was hesitant to leave any critters in her cage just did not like the idea of them possibly biting her.

thought i would include a pic of her, i prefered real plants to the fake ones

 

[Miguel]

Hmmmmm, it doesn't really sound like your really interested in keeping a "cam" as you call them. I mean there are many many ways to keep all sorts of animals, some ways work better for some people than others. But it sounds like your looking for the cheapest and easiest way to keep a Chameleon alive that fits into your schedule and life style.

You seem to think that keeping a Chameleon should be as simple as keeping a house plant. Your questions seem to range from cost of this and that to can I go away for the weekend and not have to worry about feeding it or if it has water to drink for three or four days. Dude think of it like this if you were the "Cam" what would you perfer fresh food and water everyday or weekends and holidays you get no fresh water or food while your keeper goes on break.

Try thinking of your pet whatever it maybe as a CHILD would you leave your child alone with out fresh food and water while you went on holiday for the weekend every now and again. It's a living creature whatever you decide to get - fish, lizards, frogs, snakes, dogs, cats, birds, spiders etc, etc., Yes you will need to get someone else to feed and not just mist but give it water! That could mean sitting there until they witness it drink.

Even if it's a house plant I have someone drop by to water it if I go away even for a few days. I'm not saying that you should pull out all the stops for your pet but it is a living thing. It shouldn't have to suffer while your away. Or because you didn't wanna maintain this or that misting system even if you could afford it. Chameleons that are from tropical setting shouldn't have to settle for a 1~3 minute pump action bottle spraying one to two times per day.

All Chameleons should be supplied with a drip system of some sort regardless, for at least 12~18 hrs per day. Chameleons shouldn't have to go without water all day long except for when your ready to leave for work or when you return home. Being sprayed for a minute or two, two or three time per day is insane, especially on tropical chameleons.

I find it amazing that you would would even ask such as question. Call this my rant or whatever, I don't think you are ready for a chameleon. No, feeding a chameleon a fuzzy mouse isn't even good for the chameleon, that was done by someone seeking attention, trying for a little shock effect. That feeding was anything but good for the Mueller's Chameleon, you can see that the mouse was still alive even when the chameleon swallowed it. The tiny teeth the chameleon has didn't even break the skin on the fuzzy, nor did the Mueller's swallow it head first, I'm sure that that feeding was more problematic for the chameleon your seeing in the video.

Tequila, I know nothing about chameleons, but their care should be along the lines of other tropical reptiles ( say arboreal snakes, for instance ) and the work involved with their correct keeping should be pretty much the same ( perhaps, as you put it, Chameleons are harder to make hydrate ? ), BUT the point is that Gr8Karma was asking, is searching for info on all aspects related with their keeping.

And I see no reason to criticise any sort of question. I prefer one guy asking before committing if he can go away for a couple of days, then the impulse buyer that committs without a thought on other issues ( for instance, going out for a couple of days ).

I believe you are an experienced keeper ( so is Gr8K, by the way with other species he keeps ), but the negativity of your tone helps no one.

M

 

[EricIvins]

I think I'll say my peace and be done...............

When I did keep Panthers and other Madagascans, they were hosed down once in the morning - That's it - They were kept outside, in the Florida sunshine - They did great - Keeping the Trees alive was harder for me - Chameleons are not difficult provided you understand a few basic concepts - The Montane stuff is different, but for your typical Panther/Veiled/Outstalets/etc the template is the same - You maybe able to get away with not watering them for 2 days, but that is going to be dependent on the individual Cham - That's about it from the Peanut gallery.........

Ohhhhhh........and gut content Studies on Mellers tells us that they not only eat LARGE Insects, but Birds and Arboreal Rats too............Just an FYI - Mellers are incredible Chams - I've kept quite a few, and they always did well for me, provided I could hand pick them......

 

[Tequila]

Tequila, I know nothing about chameleons, but their care should be along the lines of other tropical reptiles ( say arboreal snakes, for instance ) and the work involved with their correct keeping should be pretty much the same ( perhaps, as you put it, Chameleons are harder to make hydrate ? ), BUT the point is that Gr8Karma was asking, is searching for info on all aspects related with their keeping.

And I see no reason to criticise any sort of question. I prefer one guy asking before committing if he can go away for a couple of days, then the impulse buyer that committs without a thought on other issues ( for instance, going out for a couple of days ).

I believe you are an experienced keeper ( so is Gr8K, by the way with other species he keeps ), but the negativity of your tone helps no one.

M

Gr8KarmaSF, I apologize for my tone.

 

[Gr8KarmaSF]

Gr8KarmaSF, I apologize for my tone.

Thank you, I think you might have misread my intentions, but either way your apology speaks volumes of your character. Its been such a long time since Ive seen anybody on this board apologize for anything...lol

Hmmmmm, it doesn't really sound like your really interested in keeping a "cam" as you call them. I mean there are many many ways to keep all sorts of animals, some ways work better for some people than others. But it sounds like your looking for the cheapest and easiest way to keep a Chameleon alive that fits into your schedule and life style.

This is why I am asking lots of questions, AFTER all my research I might just come to the conclusion I am not ready for this creature. But at least give me the chance to research before questioning my intentions.

You seem to think that keeping a Chameleon should be as simple as keeping a house plant. Your questions seem to range from cost of this and that to can I go away for the weekend and not have to worry about feeding it or if it has water to drink for three or four days. Dude think of it like this if you were the "Cam" what would you perfer fresh food and water everyday or weekends and holidays you get no fresh water or food while your keeper goes on break.

Cost was NEVER an issue, if you look at my question I am asking about equipment. I have not run across any literature online or in my books that address the weekend get away question, hence my question. I also simply want a confirmation from fellow cam owners. Not everything one reads online or in books is true. I spend thousands of dollars and countless hours on my current collection, hence I again simply want to know what this commitment entails.

Try thinking of your pet whatever it maybe as a CHILD would you leave your child alone with out fresh food and water while you went on holiday for the weekend every now and again. It's a living creature whatever you decide to get - fish, lizards, frogs, snakes, dogs, cats, birds, spiders etc, etc., Yes you will need to get someone else to feed and not just mist but give it water! That could mean sitting there until they witness it drink.

Even if it's a house plant I have someone drop by to water it if I go away even for a few days. I'm not saying that you should pull out all the stops for your pet but it is a living thing. It shouldn't have to suffer while your away. Or because you didn't wanna maintain this or that misting system even if you could afford it. Chameleons that are from tropical setting shouldn't have to settle for a 1~3 minute pump action bottle spraying one to two times per day.


All Chameleons should be supplied with a drip system of some sort regardless, for at least 12~18 hrs per day. Chameleons shouldn't have to go without water all day long except for when your ready to leave for work or when you return home. Being sprayed for a minute or two, two or three time per day is insane, especially on tropical chameleons.

Thank you for your input, this is the type of information a n00b needs to know but would often overlook after such an attack on ones intentions, but I do hear you....

I find it amazing that you would would even ask such as question. Call this my rant or whatever, I don't think you are ready for a chameleon. No, feeding a chameleon a fuzzy mouse isn't even good for the chameleon, that was done by someone seeking attention, trying for a little shock effect. That feeding was anything but good for the Mueller's Chameleon, you can see that the mouse was still alive even when the chameleon swallowed it. The tiny teeth the chameleon has didn't even break the skin on the fuzzy, nor did the Mueller's swallow it head first, I'm sure that that feeding was more problematic for the chameleon your seeing in the video.

The fuzzy question was a joke...lol

Tequila, I know nothing about chameleons, but their care should be along the lines of other tropical reptiles ( say arboreal snakes, for instance ) and the work involved with their correct keeping should be pretty much the same ( perhaps, as you put it, Chameleons are harder to make hydrate ? ), BUT the point is that Gr8Karma was asking, is searching for info on all aspects related with their keeping.

And I see no reason to criticise any sort of question. I prefer one guy asking before committing if he can go away for a couple of days, then the impulse buyer that committs without a thought on other issues ( for instance, going out for a couple of days ).

I believe you are an experienced keeper ( so is Gr8K, by the way with other species he keeps ), but the negativity of your tone helps no one.

M

I am in your debt once again old man, thank you....