really? i suck then, thank you for the pointer. for the third year in a row now at about this time "he" and my convict pair of and cruise all over together, the rest of the year my convict terrorizes my JD. maybe my convict is a female? or their just odd balls...pics pending, went to my lfs yesterday looking for water lettuce (which they were all out of) and couldn't help but walk away with 2 6-7" channel catfish. have them housed in the upper tank right now, planning on growing them out in there first then transitioning to the big tank.