National News: Supreme Courts Allow for Lethal Injections in Executions
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jcardona1;1712330; said:yes - when it comes to murderers, rapists and the likes, yes, a tyrant
if you kill them or want them killed because you hate them then you yourself are a murderer.
and you shall not murder
let the justice system do its thing.
i think we should give them the right to choose
1. die ( bolt to the medulla oblongata , painless and quick )
2. work in unskilled labor such as building roads ect . then they will work each day for there meals ,if they don not work they do not eat but run it so the men are in groups and if one member does not work the rest are punished as well . then the group will work harder , and if offered benefits for hard work the groups would be working against each other and compete so getting the most work out of them and Then keeping them locked up may pay for it's self or even turn a small profit .
i find it hard to see these people who are in prison for a good reason deserve more rights than the people they killed . the system of here has got a joke, they get tv's ,games ect .
that method makes sense as it benefits the government and the public .saves money
1. die ( bolt to the medulla oblongata , painless and quick )
2. work in unskilled labor such as building roads ect . then they will work each day for there meals ,if they don not work they do not eat but run it so the men are in groups and if one member does not work the rest are punished as well . then the group will work harder , and if offered benefits for hard work the groups would be working against each other and compete so getting the most work out of them and Then keeping them locked up may pay for it's self or even turn a small profit .
i find it hard to see these people who are in prison for a good reason deserve more rights than the people they killed . the system of here has got a joke, they get tv's ,games ect .
that method makes sense as it benefits the government and the public .saves money
As the highest possible deterrent, what alternative would you choose for criminals? How would you want to prevent people from doing something unmistakably and morally wrong? I agree, it is not up to any one mortal to determine whether another fellow mortal has the right to die or live---but, as an organized society, we make it very clear what it needs to function and survive. For the sake of the society's well fare, certain principles must be followed by those who choose to live in it (if a criminal doesnt want to face the penalty, he could instead choose to do a crime some other country, or, do it away from society in the wilderness where he is as 'free' of a man as he could be).
There are far worse things that society can do to people than lethal injections. The imperfections of our welfare and healthcare system tends to screw over certain people, so much so that their life ends up being a living hell for years and maybe their entire lifetime. This is just one example. Condemnation by execution is extremely strict in the US compared to other countries, and is arguably one of the fairest in the sense that if they get charged with execution in the US, they probably wouldn't be given a second thought in other countries. Tons and tons of manpower goes into the process and it is very strict and empirical. Judges cannot just slap down a death sentence for no apparent reason, and many individuals collaborate together to make the final decision. The point is, its not that "easy" to be given a death sentence. Execution is really rare and in between when it comes down to it and often criminals go for years and decades in the "waiting zone" before officially reviewed one final time and sent for it.
The other side of the coin is giving life sentences. It essentially strips down the very meaning of freedom for a man. Who is to say that this is more morally justified than a lethal injection, when the very definition of being alive in this country is. For foreigners, here's a cliche quote from the declaration of independence "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". You can either choose to take away life or liberty. Either way, you are stripping man from one of his undeniable rights as a punishment. The final judgment on whether they are equal is left to the individual.
There are far worse things that society can do to people than lethal injections. The imperfections of our welfare and healthcare system tends to screw over certain people, so much so that their life ends up being a living hell for years and maybe their entire lifetime. This is just one example. Condemnation by execution is extremely strict in the US compared to other countries, and is arguably one of the fairest in the sense that if they get charged with execution in the US, they probably wouldn't be given a second thought in other countries. Tons and tons of manpower goes into the process and it is very strict and empirical. Judges cannot just slap down a death sentence for no apparent reason, and many individuals collaborate together to make the final decision. The point is, its not that "easy" to be given a death sentence. Execution is really rare and in between when it comes down to it and often criminals go for years and decades in the "waiting zone" before officially reviewed one final time and sent for it.
The other side of the coin is giving life sentences. It essentially strips down the very meaning of freedom for a man. Who is to say that this is more morally justified than a lethal injection, when the very definition of being alive in this country is. For foreigners, here's a cliche quote from the declaration of independence "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". You can either choose to take away life or liberty. Either way, you are stripping man from one of his undeniable rights as a punishment. The final judgment on whether they are equal is left to the individual.
Delgado, it is exactly the "justice system" doing it that I vehemently oppose. You cannot have rules on killing, laws and procedures on killing.
killing is an awfull act, that needs to be random, needss to be a crime.
a judicial system that condones, even foresees killing, is criminal, at the end of the day.
once you admit it, then its up for grabs, the scope of the provision can encompass more and increasingly more "crimes" subject to such penalty.
Society simply cannot, objectively, rule death.
and it is, cannot be, an ecomics issue, Fraserthe king.
So where do we distinguish ourselves from the hordes of the barbarians?
killing is an awfull act, that needs to be random, needss to be a crime.
a judicial system that condones, even foresees killing, is criminal, at the end of the day.
once you admit it, then its up for grabs, the scope of the provision can encompass more and increasingly more "crimes" subject to such penalty.
Society simply cannot, objectively, rule death.
and it is, cannot be, an ecomics issue, Fraserthe king.
So where do we distinguish ourselves from the hordes of the barbarians?
Miguel;1712391; said:
Difference is that we kill civily, and make it clean.
No bloody mess, no guts to clean up. I think the death penalty is a beautiful thing. There are many, many bad people that do not deserve to share this planet with the good people. There is no such thing as rehab for killers. Once a killer, always a killer. The only way to solve the problem is to exterminate them until a clear message is sent. To call the death penalty a criminal act is horse manure
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