Need a "gill sample" can you guys help?

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sorry to hear the loss db and hopefully you cut the right peices up. hope its not your avatar. i cant stop going back up to look at it. please let us know what the results find. it's nice to see a more scientific answer for death than just speculation.
 
She's off...... Sent a lil CB male pup that didn't make it as well.

Who would have thought a couple dead rays would set you back $180 just in shipping!?!

I guess at least I can say I tried.

This whole situation has caused a lot of uncomfortable feelings for me. Can't help but think I may be falling out of love with rays.

I just don't understand how some people can have such good luck without even seeming to try, yet others spend so much time and money and just can't get anything to go their way. Worst off is the lack of answers surrounding why it's so easy for some and put near impossible for others.

Wish it all made more sense.
 
I hear ya, I've had that luck with peacock bass in the past but finally this group is doing really very well for me. Rays seem Bullet proof to me but I know many others that don't have such luck.

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:( idk what to say to help only that I feel your pain.. we just figured out what killed my smaller ray a few weeks ago( speculation still but the symptoms ect finally make sense/match up) I'm keeping my fingers crossed as we appear to be battling a Nasty Columnaris outbreak in multiple tanks for the past month. I lost 3 clown loaches a spiney eel, and my smallest retic... All over a year in our possession. only when one of my gar showed symptoms did it all fall together and since resorting to anti-biotics ( something I haven't used in years) we seem to have it under control *knocks on wood*

I hope you get some closure... and after a devastating circumstance in the past I took a few years away from my tanks to come back a better owner/keeper.
 
db. sorry to hear of the loss and whilst i know it will sound flame worthy but i wish you had taken pictures. it might help someone else along the line .

ive gutted a few trout and taken out the gills etc. but tbh i have no idea where the rays gills are ! so i understand your reservation

i even took pics of the last ray i had that died and opened it up in the hope that it might help the knowledge of anyone including myself.

just remember. once an animal is dead its just meat, bone , cartlidge. hopefully that will make it easier for you.

sorry for your loss but i hope you get something good from it.

if you were nearer i would happily give you a pup. i know you have had more than your fair share of bad news and bad traders but focus on the goods stuff. lots of people havnt even been able to keep rays at all. breeding is just the next step after that first acheivment.

good luck bud and dont give up :)
 
Damn DB, sorry to hear bud ... hopefully the results will be conclusive and you and all of us can get some good insight into ray health .... thanks for putting in the extra effort and money

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Don't have results, but will gladly dive in front of the bus so my mistakes can be learned from.

When you take a gill sample the ratio of tissue to Formalin is 20-1. They don't need much, so the whole "has to be what they need in there cause I took it all" approach won't cut it. Seems my sample is screwed cause it was way too much for the amount of Formalin.

Not sure what the shelf life of Formalin is but if you're keeping rays, you should be keeping meds. Add this to the cabinet. Last minute attempts to score this stuff from local vets lands you a few things, silly looks, and a need to help them understand what you're doing. Simply explain, ask them to do it, and they seem to hand it right over, however they seem kind of stingy with it, so planning seems the wisest thing to do.

Gills apparently are the first thing to go so preservation definitely seems wise. Own up to the fact it might be best to hack the ray up right after netting it out. The longer you wait the more sorry you're going to be, it's unavoidable.

They want them on ice, not frozen. If you scored big like I did when they were handing out luck, you're used to dealing with adversity, but yet, you still never really seem prepared. Going to need lots of ice if a ray dies Thursday night and you can't ship till Monday cause the place you're sending to can't pick up on Saturdays. Re-ice as needed, don't let it get wet.

Figure out shipping before you get bent over in a last minute freak out. It can be a costly mistake. :(

Bottom line, contact the place you're sending to and have them walk you through it thoroughly. IF they're looking at it they likely have the best answers.

IF you're prepared not only physically but mentally as well this will be a lot easier. IF you own rays, you know sometimes they die, and nothing sucks more then years of wondering why. IF you want to score some good info from having a ray examined you have to be prepared in these kind of situations. We offer up enough chances to fall victim to not being prepared when we keep rays, it's stupid to think they won't die, and when they do you're going to want to know why.

Last bit of info - when a rays dies it sometimes smells sub-awesome, but usually it is capable of making food you previously ate magically reappear on the ground in front of you. I was able to avoid this by using one cheap dust mask soaked in strawberry qwik sandwiched between 2 other masks. Since I had masks on I couldn't hold my penlight like I usually do at work, so I had a spotter aid, and hold the light. He opted to laugh at my strawberry mask. He walked away a few minutes in gagging from the smell. This guy has a much stronger stomach than I do and said stomach was commanded by Mr. Danials at the time. I never smelled anything fishy.
 
all good pointers especially the strawberry mask. i have a few questions though. like who to send these samples to and how much do these test run? and all they need is the gil sample and not the whole thing?
 
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