Need a "gill sample" can you guys help?

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Sorry man. I know how you feel as far as some members are concerned but I still feel there is more good than bad on this site. There 's always going to be 1 or 2 people like that in a bunch but such is life. Hope to see you around still bro and that this bad experience, in both regards, doesn't persuade you into a rash decision


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Nothing. They told me they were just going to do what they could to try to find anything that appeared abnormal. I told them I suspected Gill Flukes but the gills were long gone.

After talking to them, I'm convinced sending rays to these people is a waste of time. I guess I need to find some place more experienced with rays!?

Was really hoping that it wasn't a complete waste, but it was. Almost $200 to ship them and absolutely nothing to show for it besides the desire to seek answers.
 
Nothing. They told me they were just going to do what they could to try to find anything that appeared abnormal. I told them I suspected Gill Flukes but the gills were long gone.

After talking to them, I'm convinced sending rays to these people is a waste of time. I guess I need to find some place more experienced with rays!?

Was really hoping that it wasn't a complete waste, but it was. Almost $200 to ship them and absolutely nothing to show for it besides the desire to seek answers.

Thats a shame. Least you tried.
 
I agree, thats a shame man .... sorry to hear ... would rather have a disease than the constant not knowing, and thus not knowing how to make it better .... thanks for trying man, hang in there

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Well at least now you know not to send to them again. You ever talk to that one guy that sent his dead rays to someone and had them examined? He had problems a few months back and got some answers from someone


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Sorry to see this Al, and hope you get some answers I will say that I have very smilar water though and havent had any issues. My water is very hard (off the chart) with a PH of 8.2-8.5 and high alkalinity. Even when not doing a water change for extended periods. Everyone who is familiar with me knows I dont run the more elaborate setup with a simple large sump and two large canisters. I Have never had issues, no I havent had pups YET but never any deaths except the flower which had seizures and was never the same. My stock has essentially been the same for two years. I believe my good fortune with no deaths or illnesses has been a consistant environment with consistant tankmates.

Whether the extremely hard water will shorten their life span I guess I will see eventually.

Is there any chance that you can be contaminating setups with new arrivals either directly or by cross contamination? Just throwing that out there, not trying to flame or create negative feedback. I too no longer post here in the ray forum but felt the desire to wish you luck and give some possible suggestive feedbck.
 
Care to explain what this is supposed to mean?

Hope you're not ASSuming I'm using meds all the time.....

It's stupid crap like this that kept me out of this forum and will continue to.

Mods should close this now before people start sharing thoughts and feelings.


Even in this post your mentioning keeping fully stocked of all sorts of meds. Not that long ago I remember another story after you medicated the tank your rays started dying off even quicker. I don't want to stab you when your down . And don't want to start anything .

It's not that some people have luck with them and you just don't . It's you!
You know everything about rays your not a stupid guy.
Yes your correct rays Cannot handle stress but when they are stressed adding meds to the water makes it worse.

Only med that maybe needs to be on hand for hobbiest is praziqauntel . Flukes are to fish as flees are to dogs. Flukes won't kill healthy rays. My rays usually can fight off or handle flukes (or what I think maybe flukes I cannot prove) with out prazi.
I'm not a scientist I cannot prove my rays are no more than stressed . Most of the time 99.9% when a rays stressed I do nothing except maybe decrease the drip ,increase the drip add some carbon to the filter ?? Sometimes salt works I have no idea why it seems to but again cannot prove it wouldn't have otherwise .

It might not be meds ,maybe your water system your using ?? Small rays are very sensitive to drippers I find slightest thing and they will be huffing and puffing not eating for a week or month sometimes. the boesemani x bd pup didn't eat for 3 weeks once because I put her In a tank with drip.she came around soon after I put her in with the ceja ray.

Infact I killed the ceja ray a few weeks ago experimenting with nitrofurazone . The ceja survived the treatments but a few days later died . It ate the day before it died . Why ?? 100% because I added nitrofurazone a week or two before . I tried it again and after because I didn't believe the med killed the ceja ....now on some very nice rays I got from England because a certian cichlid whooped them ,wounds wouldn't heal up. I soon quickly flushed the med as fast as I put it in . The rays reacted like death would set in if I let it go on any longer. All those rays recovered from that .

Medicating rays by adding to water never has ever resulted good for me . Even with prazi they hate it. Nine years experience with rays now meds you add to water don't have anything but terrible results . I'm starting to lean towards injectable and oral is only way to treat rays if infact you know what your treating .

There are other valuable meds don't get me wrong but the average ray keeper don't need them. Maybe exporters need antibacterial and parasite meds.

Add lots of vitamens to your rays food. In USA you guys can get shark/ray vitamens from mazuri .
I use vitechem and zeocon soak in the shrimp over night 3 times per week . A strong immune system is build from the diet . Shrimp ,pellets ect are not enough. No zoo doesn't give their elasmobranchs a very well rounded diet with alot of vitamens and nutrient contents .


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I believe my good fortune with no deaths or illnesses has been a consistant environment with consistant tankmates.

Ive always believed this to be key also. As soon as a setup is running well leave it be and it will become a strong environment for the rays



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