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    need plumbing/sump suggestions on 92 gallon acrylic for overstocked cichlid setup

    Discussion in 'Setup and Filtration' started by TimTheWiner, Aug 9, 2017.

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      In my opinion I would not bother with the sock filter above the trickle chamber. I always ran the blue white pads and they will do a nice job for you.
       
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      Best bet is to submerge the ceramic rings. Like I said plastic totes work wonders. So do buckets. Way cheaper then glass and easier to drill too.
       
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      Ok, really great insight and thanks for pics. Did u use that for returns as well or drains only? I think I am looking for about a 750 gph return pump (Jebao seems good bang for buck), AFTER about 6 ft in head pressure. Any recommendations on a single 1" durso (upsized in overflow to 1.25") with two 3/4" returns vs Herbie 1" main/.75" emergency and single 3/4" return? I think I'm already going to have some noise from trickle tower and/drain to secondary sump so I'm not sure if it's worth the extra silencing of the Herbie or if it's more of a backup.
       
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      I use the black pond tubing end to end., intake to return to tank.

      The 1" black pond tubing in my junk bin was an old return, you can see how the two 90 elbows formed a hook to go over the side of the tank. This piece was replaced by spray bar for better surface agitation and more appealing looks.

      I use very simplistic overflows in my tanks... I will let someone else with more expertise with overflows answer your overflow noise questions.
       
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      This is where I am not able to use the black pond tubing. The Hydor inline heater is made for 5/8" tubing so the 3/4" pond tubing doesn't fit. I have looked for 5/8" black pond tubing but haven't found any.
       
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      Do I need a ball valve on the return(s) for any reason? I can't see turning down thr flow, especially if it's a DC pump that can be turned them with a controller but more of a safety measure? What about these barb style ball valves below. Effective or should I just get a barb to slip fitting and do a reg PVC gate/ball valve?

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      With a setup like that, you will have to worry about the water draining out of your current sump. Unless you add some kind of weir setup, as soon as you shut off the power, the water in the top sump will drop to the bottom one.
      You can get equations for the height of water for your weir for a given flowrate online.
      We did similar problems on a larger scale in a hydraulics class dealing with pier supported roads transversing spillways. Most of the equations are all empirical, and I doubt they would scale down properly. Depending on your tooth/gap dimensions, you should be able to push 1500 gph through 30" of teeth with moderately deep gaps. If it doesn't work, just make the gaps deeper. Better yet, call a custom acrylic tank shop, they should be able to give you a better answer than me. (quote from following link)
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      Filter pads are available in whatever micron you want.
      It would be, but if you only use the finest filtration, you will need to endlessly replace them. The idea is to have multiple layers of mechanical filtration, with each layer catching a different size dirt.
       
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      Thanks for the insite. I understand the risk of the first elevated wet/dry setup but it the drain from it is currently 3" from the bottom so it should only drain down to that point correct. It's not like the drain is on the bottom. Also I am hoping that with the baffles of the secondary sump set about half the height of the tank then it should leave about 7 gallons of "air space" that could fill before a risk of flooding.
       
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      True. As long as you thought of it, it shouldn't be an issue. I just know from my own experience, that I have built things without thinking of a little thing like that and I have paid for it big time.
       
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      Should I use some kind of PVC Y fitting or street ell to bring the main drain and emergency drain into 1 before entering the trickle tray or is it the hurting flow/drain speed by bringing a 1" drain and a 3/4" drain into a single 1" line. This would only be for a few inches before the trickle tray cover. If not I bypass the trickle tray with the 3/4" emergency drain and just drain it to the secondary sump.
       

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