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Rhoms are about as susceptible to internal parasites as any other aquarium fish. Like stated before, almost the entire population of wild rhoms in the rivers of SA have some form or another of internal parasite. This doesn't stop their growth. They get their growth from their envirnment...which is impossible for us as hobbiests to duplicate. Gradual seasonal changes in their habitat, perfect water conditions with endless fresh, clean water and a perfect diet. It can't be done. That is what makes a rhom grow to large scales not de-worming.

I respect your confidence in this vet but fact is everyone, a small animal doctor, large animal doctor, herb vet or any other kind of vet is only going to know as much as what was minimally required of him to pass his test. He will not be anywhere near as experienced as the real thing.
Internal parasites or worms do not just "spring up" out of nowhere. They have to be introduced into the tank. If you are feeding live, that is when you should be most concerned. If you want to dose a few times a year because it gives you confidence, I say go for it. Its never recommended by advanced hobbiests to medicate for something that you have not 100% identified your fish having, however MOST meds for internal parasites are not harmful to unsick fish as long as directions are followed. And its your fish.

Something that alot of people forget about with the growth of Rhoms is that genetics plays a huge role as to how the fish will turn out. I've heard of experienced keepers having rhoms in healthy large aquariums for 5-6 years and having that rhom only make it to less the 9" or so.

At the beginning of the post, the poster talked about growing a smaller rhom to large lengths. I know that some people already said this but I will only add for people who are just getting into Serrasalmus Rhomeus: There is NO WAY that will happen. Some have grown medium sized rhoms to the beginning stages of large lengths. But nobody has grown a smaller rhom (3-4") to anything past 11". No matter what is done...Daily water changes, expensive drip systems, timed water movement, Heavily and healthy planted tanks, perfect diet. It doesn't happen.
 
Tango374;1635810; said:
Rhoms are about as susceptible to internal parasites as any other aquarium fish. Like stated before, almost the entire population of wild rhoms in the rivers of SA have some form or another of internal parasite. This doesn't stop their growth. They get their growth from their envirnment...which is impossible for us as hobbiests to duplicate. Gradual seasonal changes in their habitat, perfect water conditions with endless fresh, clean water and a perfect diet. It can't be done. That is what makes a rhom grow to large scales not de-worming.

I respect your confidence in this vet but fact is everyone, a small animal doctor, large animal doctor, herb vet or any other kind of vet is only going to know as much as what was minimally required of him to pass his test. He will not be anywhere near as experienced as the real thing.
Internal parasites or worms do not just "spring up" out of nowhere. They have to be introduced into the tank. If you are feeding live, that is when you should be most concerned. If you want to dose a few times a year because it gives you confidence, I say go for it. Its never recommended by advanced hobbiests to medicate for something that you have not 100% identified your fish having, however MOST meds for internal parasites are not harmful to unsick fish as long as directions are followed. And its your fish.

Something that alot of people forget about with the growth of Rhoms is that genetics plays a huge role as to how the fish will turn out. I've heard of experienced keepers having rhoms in healthy large aquariums for 5-6 years and having that rhom only make it to less the 9" or so.

At the beginning of the post, the poster talked about growing a smaller rhom to large lengths. I know that some people already said this but I will only add for people who are just getting into Serrasalmus Rhomeus: There is NO WAY that will happen. Some have grown medium sized rhoms to the beginning stages of large lengths. But nobody has grown a smaller rhom (3-4") to anything past 11". No matter what is done...Daily water changes, expensive drip systems, timed water movement, Heavily and healthy planted tanks, perfect diet. It doesn't happen.

great post and well said.
the part about genetics especially... something often forgotten.

ive had some really good growth (lengthwise) from my diamond rhom and he's only been wormed once in the past year

.... i dont expect him to reach anymore than 11-12" as he was imported quite small and diamonds tend to grow smaller than there black counterparts anyway.

"ron" if you want to worm your rhom, i say go for it
but it isnt necessary to worm it so often as there isnt really anyway these parasites can return unless you introduce them back into the water
(e.g via live feeding)

and the stuff your using to worm your mac "paragon"
isnt actually a wormer, its a general tonic.

it doesn't treat "worms" as you put it, but it will give a general treatment for parasites.

.... abit of info from the net

PARAGON - general tonic

When added to aquarium/pond water, PARAGON slowly releases nascent, moatomic oxygen in safe amounts.
After this rare form of oxygen has destroyed any pathogens and parasites present it beneficially raises the REDOX potential (oxygen levels) in the aquarium. This in turn benefits all forms of aquatic life.


what you need is a dedicated wormer like alot of people use.
in the US they tend to use prazipro (as im sure you know)
but that isnt readily available over here.

if you have a vet friend that knows his beans, i cant see why he wouldn't offer you an equivalent wormer to prazipro that only vets can obtain
(its called ''prazipuantal'' if i remember right)
its alot stronger than the off the shelf version (prazipro)
thats why it can only be prescribed by a vet


if you cant get that then the best ive found is a specific wormer product called "flubenol 15"
... aka "wormer plus".... aka "aquatic fish fluke and wormer"

its marketed as a discus wormer but is perfectly safe for piranha

bit more web info;
wormer plus is a Flubendazole based medication for use against gill flukes, body flukes and intestinal helminths. Wormer Plus can be used at any temperature and will not harm plants or other tropical fish.
For use with all tropical freshwater fish.
This product will control tapeworms and other helminths

from the Q&A section
Q:-Do I need to treat a second dose?
A:-Only in cases of heavy infestations will a second dose be needed.



This veterinary medicine is marketed in accordance with the small animal exemption scheme

heres a link if you wanna buy some
http://www.plymouthdiscus.com/drdiscus.html

hope that helps a little
 
very good advice on the wormers alex. altho that paragon actually worked very well. but i will look into that stuff you said next time if its more powerful.

from the Q&A section
Q:-Do I need to treat a second dose?
A:-Only in cases of heavy infestations will a second dose be needed.


do i need to treat a second dose... as in after the first dose has gone through the tank (after a week or so) and you do a water change. it doesnt say do i need to dose again at another time




 
Tango374;1635810; said:
Rhoms are about as susceptible to internal parasites as any other aquarium fish. Like stated before, almost the entire population of wild rhoms in the rivers of SA have some form or another of internal parasite. This doesn't stop their growth. They get their growth from their envirnment...which is impossible for us as hobbiests to duplicate. Gradual seasonal changes in their habitat, perfect water conditions with endless fresh, clean water and a perfect diet. It can't be done. That is what makes a rhom grow to large scales not de-worming.

I respect your confidence in this vet but fact is everyone, a small animal doctor, large animal doctor, herb vet or any other kind of vet is only going to know as much as what was minimally required of him to pass his test. He will not be anywhere near as experienced as the real thing.
Internal parasites or worms do not just "spring up" out of nowhere. They have to be introduced into the tank. If you are feeding live, that is when you should be most concerned. If you want to dose a few times a year because it gives you confidence, I say go for it. Its never recommended by advanced hobbiests to medicate for something that you have not 100% identified your fish having, however MOST meds for internal parasites are not harmful to unsick fish as long as directions are followed. And its your fish.

Something that alot of people forget about with the growth of Rhoms is that genetics plays a huge role as to how the fish will turn out. I've heard of experienced keepers having rhoms in healthy large aquariums for 5-6 years and having that rhom only make it to less the 9" or so.

At the beginning of the post, the poster talked about growing a smaller rhom to large lengths. I know that some people already said this but I will only add for people who are just getting into Serrasalmus Rhomeus: There is NO WAY that will happen. Some have grown medium sized rhoms to the beginning stages of large lengths. But nobody has grown a smaller rhom (3-4") to anything past 11". No matter what is done...Daily water changes, expensive drip systems, timed water movement, Heavily and healthy planted tanks, perfect diet. It doesn't happen.
well said my friend, i've been waiting for someone who is in agreement to come along and join in the discussion. like i said, i was never trying to start an argument, it's just like i said tho, i hear these claims of people's "guaranteed" but unproven ways of growing out a small rhom to a massive size all the time and nobody ever wants to believe the facts.
 
Well it is kind of hard to tell by looking at a dark picture for sure what species it is. I admit I was wrong but I also didnt pick out the fish in person. The smaller serra species you have would easily be mistaken for a rhom, but the macs are a lot easier to identify if you had done some research especially since it is 8 inches and an adult. I actually have a spilo/mac and have owned 2 rhoms, one gold diamond and one Peru black, and can tell the difference. Also you keep talking about growing out huge rhoms but on what basis. You have never actually owned a rhom and have never grown a large one so you are just going off of what other people are saying. If you can prove it then go ahead but I find it hard to believe someone who has never actually done it or even owned a rhom.
 
WTF
where am i saying about growing out small rhoms to huge sizes???... show me please, coz i dont know. at first i said i hoped to get a good size out of him thats all.
im just saying there is a way to eliminate any additional slow growth caused by worms. wtf you are dumb as ****
 
so now you're calling me dumb as ****? this whole debate started by you stating that you hoped your 8" "rhom" would reach 16" within 4 or 5 years, which would be growing out a small rhom to a huge size, when i told you that was not going to happen, you immediately stated that people don't get them to those sizes because they don't deworm them and that you could do it. you keep making claims and then backpedalling when someone calls you on stuff, you were wrong about the IDs of both of your fish in your own tank, you were wrong about growing your "rhom" to a huge size, you were wrong about nobody treating for internal parasites, you were even wrong about the purpose of the medicine you've been touting as your secret cure for worms and dumping into your tank. how does that make you a credible person to call me dumb as ****?

you admitted that you are new to the hobby, so i don't understand why rather than listening to what people that have been doing this for awhile are saying to you, you take a defensive position and try to debate issues when you obviously don't have all the facts. usually when i make a mistake, i admit to it and move on and thank the people who pointed it out to me and told me the real facts behind the issue.
 
Nope
i did say i HOPED to get it from 8"-14" in 4-5 years yes. but i didnt say the reason why people dont is because they dont worm them. i was saying that i was gonna give him everything he needs to grow as big as possible including worming at regular occassions
 
Actually you said I hope it will get 15-16 in a few years. Then you said 15-16 in 4-5 years. When we said that wont happen you got all defensive and said the only reason other peoples rhoms dont get big is because not many people deworm them.
 
im bored now...ZZZZzzzzzzzz
we will just end this here
 
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