why do you still insist on keeping the jack? why can't you understand that it gets too big for your tanks?
new fish AND TANK
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Connor0729;1722372; said:
No it doesn't. I know C_B is overstocked by far with all the fish he has currently, but if he wanted to keep the jack, and the jack only, in his 29 it would be fine.
But he wont and I have a 29 sitting no more than a foot from me next to my comp and there is no way in a picasso's hell that a full grown jack would be comfortable in a 29.
Well that's the thing, it probably wouldn't be just the jack. While I don't think a 29 is ideal for a JD as I said earlier in the thread I bred them in one with no problems. Thinking back I'd much rather have had them in a 55 or 75 but it's doable...it's not like sticking a jag or oscar in a 29.
A JD in a 29 gal. isn't that big of a deal. Long term, FAR more potential for a black belt or a Jag to lack space in a 90 gal., then for a JD to lack space in a 29. BY FAR!
I think many are being too hard on convict breeder. Yes, he needs to think about getting rid of a couple fish eventually and to stop adding more fish all the time. And yes he needs to think about getting a larger tank, EVENTUALLY.
This is what I think he should do: Get rid if at least 1 JD now. Put the TB in the 29 gal., though they are high risk with these cichlids and may not make it. Put a pair of cons in the 10 gal., after they have paired up, but keep a close eye on them in case they don't get along. Make sure there are a lot of small caves that the male can't fit into. Do a lot of water change and don't consider any set up permanent. And most importantly, don't buy anymore fish until you get some larger tanks!
I think many are being too hard on convict breeder. Yes, he needs to think about getting rid of a couple fish eventually and to stop adding more fish all the time. And yes he needs to think about getting a larger tank, EVENTUALLY.
This is what I think he should do: Get rid if at least 1 JD now. Put the TB in the 29 gal., though they are high risk with these cichlids and may not make it. Put a pair of cons in the 10 gal., after they have paired up, but keep a close eye on them in case they don't get along. Make sure there are a lot of small caves that the male can't fit into. Do a lot of water change and don't consider any set up permanent. And most importantly, don't buy anymore fish until you get some larger tanks!
BC in SK;1723828; said:
Are you serious a blackbelt gets to be 10" 12" for big specimens and I'm not shoving a JD into a 29 that holds no arguement to my keeping a 5" jag in a 90 to grow out. A JD in a 29 is not a grow out its a spine curve out...his uncle already said he can't get anything bigger than a 29...so he cant grow this fish out and have a bigger tank for it one day, where I can get a bigger tank when the time comes to put my jag and my black belt in there. Im not bashing on cb but if someone does on me I'm going to back myself up this is not a I'm better than someone else bulls***. This is life...and there is not a fish bigger than 6" in my 90 so I think I have some time.
BC in SK;1723828; said:
All set-ups if done by proper and knowledgeable fish-keepers or even people that have over 1,000 posts asking all of us how to do this and what would do good with what should be thought through and should ALWAYS be considered long term and not having to stuff way to many fish into too small of a tank, like putting a pair of cons in a 10 gallon...that would be like two full grown people sleeping in a baby's crib.
say one day, all you fish died suddenly and unexpectantly.
would you stock the 29 and the 10 the right way or would you go down the path your on again?
please answer
would you stock the 29 and the 10 the right way or would you go down the path your on again?
please answer
scubasteve06;1724166; said:
1) Male BB gets 14-16", VERY easily. Mine currently, is 9 7/8" and it's only been a little more then 1 1/2 years since it was laid as an egg. Here's a picture of it, in a 10" net:
The one I had many years ago, I never put a tape to it, but it got to AT LEAST 14". I've seen many that were VERY large, easily over 14". They are a VERY big fish that likes open space to swim around when it gets big. Also very aggressive, when larger.
2) Jags, as everyone knows do get VERY large. A female I had 10 years ago, got 16". She was a good sized fish for a 180 gal. I know exactly how long she was as I put a tape to her when she had died, after attempting to transport while moving. She was only 6-7 years old but had recently gone on a growth spurt. Had I kept her longer, it is conceivable she could have gotten larger yet. Males, regardless of how long they get, are a much bigger fish.
You say your jag is only 5". Fair enough; you got a lot of time. But look at the size of fish in CB's list. C'mon, there all tiny fish, that have a lot of growing to do. How is that any different?
JD typical get 8-9". Yes, some specimens do get over 10". Regardless of their length, they are very small fish compared to full grown Jags or blackbelts. I'd have kept any of my JD in a 29, no problem, and have actually done so for a little while. On the other hand to keep the male blackbelt and female jag I had in a 90 gal., would have been far more rediculous. Both fish require more open swimming space, when they get older and larger, compared to a JD.
Look, we can beat on CB, and get him to start over again, only to do the same mistakes again, or we can try and convince him to keep the fish he really likes, get rid of a few, and make use of the space he has now. His fish are all small and has a lot of time before anything is pressing.
I know I will need a upgrade in the future I have a 180 on a 6 month lay-a-way with about 600 left to pay on it that all fish in the 90 will be moved to. I figure in that 6 months time the jag will be around a foot the gt will be around 6-7" and the bb at about 5-6". They would still be fine in the 90 then a little cramped but fine they do not fight or lip lock and have lots of open swimming space the way it is now and tons of big hidey holes. I just can't see keeping a 9-10" fish in a 3x13 tank. He could keep a pair of cons and his t-barbs and catfish in there and it would be a pretty tank especially with the sand and driftwood in there now. Here is a pic of my tank now like I said plenty of open space tons of big hiding spots for bigger fish.
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