i dont think they discriminate were im from lol,, white and gold ussually go for the same price, is tht wierd?
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Not weird per say. The white saum has just recently been given a name (Andionacara Stalsbergi) and technically a different species. But if you scored a white saum at that priceand it's a true green terror, consider yourself lucky. I paid that for 1" fry. ;-)
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wait....a white saum is a true green terror?....i thought white and gold saum wer the same fish and true green terror was totally different....
Crimson is somewhat right in his statement. White saum and gold saum are the same fish Andinoacara Rivulatus just different location morph. Andinoacara Stalsbergi is the "true" white saum and if you see the fish side by side you will see the difference in the scales among other things. I also give the scientific name for those of you that need it.
That's a really really nice looking fish.
All the "true green terror" arguments are especially funny since "green terror" isn't a scientific name.
I brought my 3 GT home today. I was expecting all gold saum but one of them is a silver, maybe two, but the second possible silver is to young to tell.
What are you feeding?
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All the "true green terror" arguments are especially funny since "green terror" isn't a scientific name.
I brought my 3 GT home today. I was expecting all gold saum but one of them is a silver, maybe two, but the second possible silver is to young to tell.
What are you feeding?
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Here's some clarification from Practical Fishkeeping magazine:
The beautiful cichlid sold in the aquarium hobby under the names Silver Saum, Silbersaum and White Saum has finally been described by scientists.
Previously believed a colour variant of the Green terror, Andinoacara (formerly Aequidens) rivulatus , the new species has been named Andinoacara stalsbergi by Zuzana Musilova, Ingo Schindler and Wolfgang Staeck. A. stalsbergi, which is named after Alf Stalsberg, can be found in trans-Andean rivers and lakes along the Peruvian Pacific coastline of South America between the Rio Chira in the north and Rio Pisco in the south. As fishkeepers have known for the past 40 years, it differs from the Green terror, Andinoacara rivulatus, in having a silvery white rather than an orange edge to the fins. The scales of stalsbergi also have pale centres and dark margins that form a reticulate pattern on the flanks.
Here's a pic of each for comparison. These are from the internet and not my pics. Unfortunately, the silversaum and goldsaum have suffered from crossbreeding in the tanks of aquarists, so it's hard to know if any given fish is a hybrid or not. I had what I thought was a silversaum, but as it aged, the white edging changed to a washed out orange.
The beautiful cichlid sold in the aquarium hobby under the names Silver Saum, Silbersaum and White Saum has finally been described by scientists.
Previously believed a colour variant of the Green terror, Andinoacara (formerly Aequidens) rivulatus , the new species has been named Andinoacara stalsbergi by Zuzana Musilova, Ingo Schindler and Wolfgang Staeck. A. stalsbergi, which is named after Alf Stalsberg, can be found in trans-Andean rivers and lakes along the Peruvian Pacific coastline of South America between the Rio Chira in the north and Rio Pisco in the south. As fishkeepers have known for the past 40 years, it differs from the Green terror, Andinoacara rivulatus, in having a silvery white rather than an orange edge to the fins. The scales of stalsbergi also have pale centres and dark margins that form a reticulate pattern on the flanks.
Here's a pic of each for comparison. These are from the internet and not my pics. Unfortunately, the silversaum and goldsaum have suffered from crossbreeding in the tanks of aquarists, so it's hard to know if any given fish is a hybrid or not. I had what I thought was a silversaum, but as it aged, the white edging changed to a washed out orange.
^ Your picture of the silver is missing 3 vertical stripes, so it's likely a hybrid (or it's the lighting in which case I'm full of it).
Of note, you didn't mention "green terror", so it's not clarification. We could all read the magazine articles and Internet posts all day about "true green terror" and we would each come up with different conclusions. The bottom line is, again, there is no such thing since it's not a scientific name.
Either way, any of the three in this topic are the coolest looking cichlids in my book
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Of note, you didn't mention "green terror", so it's not clarification. We could all read the magazine articles and Internet posts all day about "true green terror" and we would each come up with different conclusions. The bottom line is, again, there is no such thing since it's not a scientific name.
Either way, any of the three in this topic are the coolest looking cichlids in my book
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This Article has all you would want to know about "Sorting out the Green Terrors" http://cichlidnews.com/issues/2011jan/andinoacara.html. Including pics.
Not all White/Silver Saums are Andinoacara Stalsbergi. Some are and some are thought to be a variant of Andinoacara sp Gold Saum. One of the main ways you can tell the two species apart are the iridescent parts if the scales. Stals have it in the middle of the scale and Saums have it on the outside of the scale. You can see this pretty clearly in the pictures in the article. Even though there are different in size you can defiantly tell the difference between my Stal and my Saum.
Also not all Stalsbergi have the vertical stripes, (I asked this same question in an email to Alf Stalsbergi).
Saum
Stalsbergi
Hope this helps!
Not all White/Silver Saums are Andinoacara Stalsbergi. Some are and some are thought to be a variant of Andinoacara sp Gold Saum. One of the main ways you can tell the two species apart are the iridescent parts if the scales. Stals have it in the middle of the scale and Saums have it on the outside of the scale. You can see this pretty clearly in the pictures in the article. Even though there are different in size you can defiantly tell the difference between my Stal and my Saum.
Also not all Stalsbergi have the vertical stripes, (I asked this same question in an email to Alf Stalsbergi).
Saum
Stalsbergi
Hope this helps!
If the vertical stripes you're referring to are the ones I've seen, IME that indicates a female. No male I have ever had, whether it be 'rivulatus' or 'stahlsbergi' has had vertical striping. My picture of the 'silversaum' in my earlier post is from the scientific paper describing 'stahlsbergi', so NOT a hybrid.
All three species of Andinoacara can be referred to as Green Terrors - 'rivulatus', stahlsbergi' and 'aequinoctialis'. And as was stated, 'rivulatus can have orange ranging to white edging depending on population. The real telling difference AFAIK is in the scale coloration - 'rivulatus, dark inside light edges, 'stahlsbergi' pale in the center with dark edges.
Above is one of my male 'rivulatus' goldsaums
I agree with you on that one.Either way, any of the three in this topic are the coolest looking cichlids in my book
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