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snakeheader;1891055; said:
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those guys will really give you some info,thats where i go when i need to know something about my whites and pacmans,and yes the moss is said to build up and cause what is known as impaction,which will kill your frog
thats why i always feed in a seperate tank,what size tank is he in
humidity
temps during day and night
feeding what how often
sorry forgot your other question,not sure if your looking into them or not but they got good care advice on most of the frog forums wich I think you guys already know of.Mine however is normaly between 75 and 80 during the day and it drops 5 to 10 over night,the humidity is around 70 to 80 most the time.Hes got a large water dish and about 3 inchs of the eco earth.A spread some moss around the top but am rethinking that,trust me I do tons of researching but I also like to know real truth on this stuff and not just hear say.Its my passion and hobby for many years so it all interests me.One of the largest dragon breeders sandfire dragon ranch has bread their dragons on sand for many years and no issues,yet ppl will bash you to hell for keeping them on sand,its things like that that make me want to study real facts on these subjects so I hope I didnt offend anyone.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,He has been eating dusted and gut loaded crix once or twice a day with occasional worms.These guys grow fast,lol,he looks fatter though when he puffs up with air.I use bottled water for the dish and the substrate.He has a nice light hood with uvb but I only turn it on him a few days a week when hes out because being more nocturnal its not too often.HE is tolerable of holding at a very low level since they like to jump.I use oderless vinal gloves.Sometimes to move him fast I just clean the heck out of my hands and then wet them with bottled water.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Anyways,were you thinking of getting one,hes been a great little guy,I wish I got both.Do you know how to sex them,though I here breeding is not very easy with them.
 
I actually had one before just making sure you got everything right
 
and with the bearded dragonds,they live in nature on sand so it's fine in a tank
 
jason longboard;1891807; said:
Im not unfamiliar with impactions since Ive kept and bread beardeds and leos,along with a couple snakes and kept many more.Ive been around for all the arguing about the subject with all these others.I have seen x rays of sand impacting,however,Ive also had bearded dragons pass a 6 inch fake pothos leaf before too so it just makes me wonder sometimes.I believe you guys that they dissected them and found the moss,but how in the heck does moss not break down?

I'm with Jason on this one. Moss would break down. I don't care if you show me a pic with moss in the frogs stomach. It could mean it died, and it has moss in its stomach.

Unless you can verify that the moss has been INSIDE ITS STOMACH for several months building up, I am just going to write it off. I mean, c'mon. It is very likely that the moss is in the frog's stomach b/c, well, its a frog. Frogs grab the cricket and everything around the cricket in an attempt to eat it. Of course it is going to have moss in its stomach. That does not mean the moss killed it.
 
Nice frog Jason. Is this moss ingestion specific to at feeding time, or can you keep them on moss and feed them in a seperate container and they'll be fine?
 
davo;1893109; said:
Nice frog Jason. Is this moss ingestion specific to at feeding time, or can you keep them on moss and feed them in a seperate container and they'll be fine?


Feed in separate container. Thats what I do with my Pixie frogs.
 
Well,Im afraid of this turning into an overly heated debate in wich as far as I can tell our real research is based on the frogs being dissected and finding the moss along with other ppl that have kept frogs on moss with no trouble but like anything else you may be the lucky one or unlucky for that matter.Weather like Remorse said wich I thought too,how do we know the moss just is thier after death and they dont just have moss passing all the time,and at time of death it just haddnt passed yet.Im still not saying its not true,I just want to know how moss dosnt break down.I would asume feeding outside the tank with moss in the main home would eliminate the problem if its truely an issue.I cant see the frog eating moss for the hell of it,its just taken in while snatching up crix.My only thing here and keep in mind this is why we like the hobby,to learn as much as we can to keep these animals and have fun sharing experiences together,I really want someone to break down how moss does not break down in herps,or do frogs just have a weaker digestive tract.Ive heard so far because their tract is so small,but a string of moss sure seems safer than mice bone and hair.Just because its brought up so much I may not use the moss until we can explain this better.Better safe than sorry,I just want real facts.Thanks for sharing though guys,any more thoughts feel free,no fighting please,its just a quest for truth.
 
very nice....
 
snakeheader;1892724; said:
and with the bearded dragonds,they live in nature on sand so it's fine in a tank


No they don't and no its not fine.

They live on packed dirt. Sand can and will cause impactions in younger beardies.
 
I think I agree on babies,they tend to eat anything like garbage disposals but I did have sandfire contact me and say they have been breeding on sand throughout their entire career.Go figure.
 
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