New Project, need all the help i can get

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Gravelanche

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Hey everyone, i was refered here by a good friend who said you guys were the best source of help i could hope for.

I have decided to take on a project and my zeal may be getting away from me but it's rather large, but i was told if it can be done someone here has probably done it.

I'm building a very large enclosure, the bottom third will be an aquarium, and the top 2 thirds will be a tropical enclosure for most likely a green tree python.

I will start by going over the best case scenario i'd like to see, i understand that i am not the ultimate expert on the interaction of some of the species involved and the idea will probably be tweeked greatly.

The base is a 67 gallon tank, it measures 18x18x48, im going to build a custom stand to set it on which will also bear the weight of the upper enclosure which will be a further 3.5 feet up, they will be open to each other but with plenty of material to stop the snake from plumeting straight into the tank, not that he could not swim out if necessary on his own. I am planning on building a custom filter and have a friend who is going to help me there, we are going to then use a pump to push the water to the top of the enclosure where it will be used for the artificial rain and a waterfall style feature. (we will be exploring a valve system to turn off the waterfall when needed) it will then cascade down guided by some PVC piping and eventually land back in the tank, these pipes will also perpetually provide fresh water for the snake up above.

The structure will mostly be built from press-board and plywood, sealed from moisture as much as i can possibly manage, with a large plexiglass viewing area in the front, (tank obviously will be fully open)

Aside from the tree python as the main attraction in the tank i was hoping to get a few archer fish, given the unique opportunity for them to hunt with the open space above, along with them it was suggested that i even use scats to help minimize the impact of the snake's waste falling into the tank. I was also considering a variety of live plants and along with that possibly some surface dwelling frogs (though their relationship with the snake is up for debate)

between myself and my friend i think we have the outlying mechanics and architexture down, however i would love some input, will this work at all? i have a backup plan for a much much smaller version that basicaly consists of a much smaller tanks and just designing the top half for frogs and gecko's but if this can be done i'd love to do it.
 
Definitely sounds interesting, would love to see sone kind of sketch or plans for the setup.

I've got a waterfall feature, not much different than the one you have described on my large display tank except for the fact that it is completley open and houses no creatures, lol, sounds a lot different doesn't it? (The link is in my signature) and would suggest multiple pumps vs valves if you want to use water in two different features.

As far as protecting the non submerged structure from water damage, you may want to look into frp (Fiber-Reinforced Plastic) commonly used for wall covering in public restrooms and commercial kitchens; It is fairly cheap and can be cut/fit to any size. You wont find any colors besides white and almond at your normal home improvement warehouses but you should be able to get it in a wide variety of colors from a speciality builders supply like BGS or another company like them.

Once you've got a solid plan of action; throw up yor questions individualy and it will be much easier for us to answer them.

This project sounds fairly complex but not impossible, I look forward to seeing some updates, viewing some pics and answering what questions I can.

Good luck and welcome to the forums :D
 
Completely possible to do, has been done... I do not have the time to find it but if you look around in some of the old threads there is someone that built a very large setup with a similar idea on here.... if I remember correctly he called it Amazon biotope or something like that... was really cool but he didn't house snakes in it... it was frogs, I have thought of doing this since I was a kid, but realized I don't really like snakes LOL
 
Stay away from press-board or any kind of compressed fiber board around water. When it gets wet it swells and distorts and is ruined forever.
 
yeah i was thinking that, i wont be making my first cut for at least a month or 2, going to research and have everything down to the individual screw thought out, as for the frogs, it was something like that that inspired me, and i just decided to go bigger. i am going to a couple of stores today and im hoping to get a better cross section of what wildlife i can have existing in harmony. i know the snake wont go for the fish, but for such a large enclosure i want more than a snake in it. Though a gorgeous boa and some live jungle plants would be pretty pimpin too.
 
Here is a link to a way bigger scale of what you are doing. The animals being kept are alittle different but it may give you some ideas.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?329022-1700-Gallon-Stingray-River


I don’t know much about snakes but keeping many different aquariums, I would make sure to make the tank easily accessible for maintenance reasons. I’m sure you have thought of this but you don’t want to have to climb into that enclosure every time you need to clean the tank. Maybe make an access door in the back or side, but you would have to take the waterfall into consideration as well. I’ll do some thinking on a waterproof entry and get back to you...

Anyways, this sounds like an awesome idea. Please log your build here if you have the time. We would love to follow along.
 
ok so i've consulted with one of my experts, i guess i missheard him, when he said tree snake he was refering to a rugged green tree snake not a green tree python/boa. This actually turns out to be good news (though now im cosidering also building something down the road for the boa anyways)

the snakes im going to be using are about the size of garter snakes but they are arboreal, they will go after frogs but only very tiny ones so as long as i stick to adults i should be fine, same with the fish, they may dive for a gupy but anything over 2 inches should be safe.

So the awesome news is instead of a few fish and a big snake i now get to put in 3 snakes, as well as a handful of frogs, newts, salamanders and lots of other awesome colorful stuff,

thebigB, i agree completely, im planning to have the front panel of the enclosure either swinging double glass/plexiglass doors, or a sliding door, so i can open the whole front giving me lots of room to access the tank. im also going to be putting in a Y valve that can temporarily divert the water from the waterfall feature to a simple outlet back into the tank when needed.

im working on some rough sketches and construction diagrams now, might put them up in a few days when i have some more solid ideas.
 
What is a rugge green snake?

what you were planning is more or less a ain chamber, which is used for GTP and ETB.

Doable, but i fear that the end result is a permanent too high RH...

You don't have to have the shower constantly on.

Water should be luke warm in any case.
 
sorry, its a ROUGH green snake,

Rough-Green-Snake-Opheodrys-aestivus.jpeg

they are much smaller and more docile, will not eat any of my other wildlife as long as i only get stuff bigger than him

Rough-Green-Snake-Opheodrys-aestivus.jpeg
 
Latin name, please?

How are they with RH?
 
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