Occupy Wall Street?

[DavidW]

On topic however, I am one of the organizers for my local occupy protest.

Why, given the nature of your comments, does this appear to be outright BS, unless you belong to the Westboro Baptist church of course.

 

[ScatMan]

Scatman:
Here's the recent story of a guy who thought as you do about fire services...until his house burnt down for an unpaid $75 fee as the fire dept stood by and watched. I guess you are hoping this doesn't happen to you.
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...n-down-because-owner-hadnt-paid-75-city-fee/1

i have insurance. and if there was a company offering to put my house out should it catch on fire for a fee, i would pay it. simply because i would pay for it anyway, does not give anyone the right to take my money by force.

re the JFK quote, so evidently from your posts in this thread you are only interested in what your country can do for you and have no intention of giving back in any way. That is not most peoples' idea of patriotism, but as per my other quote, you'll find some way to wrap it in the flag.

i have no intention of taking anything so i wouldn't need to give back, i would owe nothing. where do you get this nonsense?

you just have a problem admitting that you don't care about other people's rights and you're going to do what you think is best for them by stealing their money and buying them what you think they need!

 

[Warborg]

right here...

ok, before I address this I want to back up a little

that's not why we have government. government is created to protect peoples rights, plain and simple.

not to make jobs, feed the poor, educate the stupid or plant flowers, so on and so on... these are not rights, these are things you have to earn.

I have to disagree here. Why is it everytime we have presidential run offs... part of a campaign is about the economy? and Military stance?

The governments job is to keep the country together and running smooth. Which includes a good to thriving economy.

Ok... back to the jobs issue

Under a good or thriving economy I believe the government should keeps it's nose out of the job factor as much as possible... when the economy is in the toilet (such as 9.1% unemployment and failed government bailouts) they should find ways to help it as it is part of a healthy economy (this doesn't mean I like it) as I prefer a smaller government.

I was working during both bailouts... and opposed both of them... then and now. I said back then that if the government was going to spend the money it would be better helping people get jobs rather keeping some fatcat a millionaire.

it boggles my mind that you think everyone should pay for what YOU think is important but when someone else thinks that their college tuition is that important, you disagree

I'm sorry but someone working at a job helps the economy. Someone getting a college tuition does not help the economy that much. Take my wife for example: Within 2 months of her being in this country (legally) she got a job paying $9.55hr with no collage education... this was back in 2005. My point being while a college tuition is nice... it's not as important as working.

Most of my jobs consisted of circuit board troubleshooting (with my degree in Applied Science). While it may still be possible I personally don't expect the government to be able to create such a job. So I don't want job creation for me but for other simple jobs to get the economy going again which should have a side effect that might help my field. I'm sure I'm a very very small number in that 9.1%

 

[dogofwar]

So are you also going to pay for your own water well and water lines so that you can have your own sprinkler system?

What if the fire department said he needed to pay 1000 dollars? Should he not have the right to refuse? What if he installed his own fire deterrants such as a sprinkler system? Or he felt there was a better organization nearby that would put out his fire cheaper and faster?

 

[ScatMan]

You just contradict yourself each time you post.

how would you pay a road toll if not driving a car on it?

dude, if you can't keep up with the conversation, just quit. tolls and registration fees are not taxes, they're FEES! therefore someone without a car wouldn't pay these fees. HOWEVER that same person without a car would be paying for roads that they aren't using if the roads were being paid for by taxes. learn the difference between FEES and TAXES.

"tons of private watchdog groups'?
yet the TP and GOP would do away with consumer protection agencies as part of their stated policies.

PRIVATE = not government (tax) funded. holy hell man, READ FIRST.

You seem to like quotes, so here's a relevant one for you from Mark Twain:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I'll put it in simpler terms so that you can understand: If you keep your mouth shut, you won't put your foot in it.

that's excellent advice, you should take it.

BTW, National sentiment , according to polls, is running about 70%-30% in favor of the OWS protests.
You are on the wrong side of history on this one

what does that say about the national sentiment, they can't define ows yet they're behind it?!?! also, i never said i was for or against it, so sweet assumption.

 

[dogofwar]

...so to get back from "Lord of the Flies"...and to the reason for OWS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kpg76VjTa58

Matt

 

[ScatMan]

ok, before I address this I want to back up a little



I have to disagree here. Why is it everytime we have presidential run offs... part of a campaign is about the economy? and Military stance?

The governments job is to keep the country together and running smooth. Which includes a good to thriving economy.

i'm going to stop you right there.

if you think that the government's job is more than what i previously stated, then you also believe that the government has more right to your money and property than you do. you believe that it is ok to steal money from the citizens to pay for thing that you think they need.

you can't believe that government should protect the rights of it's people while at the same time, violating those rights! it's a contradiction!

so long story short; you either respect the rights absolutely, or you don't respect them at all. you're cool with stealing money as long as it's spent on what you want it spent on.

 

[JuanTamad]

Here's another form of taxation.....

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho...60132_113544412001601_917518_1050096549_n.jpg

Banks call them fees.

Who was it who said a rose by any other name is still a rose?

I say do away with taxes and just call them fees and maybe more folks will be happier

 

[dogofwar]

...and schools. Should there only be home-schooling and private schools (that, of course, receive no subsidies from the government)?

...and food inspection. Should each of us pay to have someone inspect our food to ensure that it is safe? Everyone else should just roll the dice.

Matt

dude, if you can't keep up with the conversation, just quit. tolls and registration fees are not taxes, they're FEES! therefore someone without a car wouldn't pay these fees. HOWEVER that same person without a car would be paying for roads that they aren't using if the roads were being paid for by taxes. learn the difference between FEES and TAXES.



PRIVATE = not government (tax) funded. holy hell man, READ FIRST.



that's excellent advice, you should take it.



what does that say about the national sentiment, they can't define ows yet they're behind it?!?! also, i never said i was for or against it, so sweet assumption.

 

[Warborg]

i'm going to stop you right there.

if you think that the government's job is more than what i previously stated, then you also believe that the government has more right to your money and property than you do. you believe that it is ok to steal money from the citizens to pay for thing that you think they need.

you can't believe that government should protect the rights of it's people while at the same time, violating those rights! it's a contradiction!

so long story short; you either respect the rights absolutely, or you don't respect them at all. you're cool with stealing money as long as it's spent on what you want it spent on.

I've always labeled the government as a necessary evil. In one way I wish they didn't exist but the problem is if they didn't there would be anarchy which is worse.

Please take off your tinfoil hat if you believe every drop of money going to the government is stealing. We the people created the government. To run the government it has to have money. Despite the fact that they do print their own money... they also need money from us. I will be the first to agree with you we are over taxed... and yes alot of it goes to place we don't approve of. That why we have elections, in attempt to put the 'right' people in there to act in the way we want.

That's why there are two major sides. Us as people don't agree on everything. so we try to find a middle ground

Not to go religious on you... even back in the day of J.C. there were taxes. As others have said the only way you will escape it is to go live in the hills or on a small island.

I will never say I enjoy paying taxes... I'm saying if the money is taken... use it usefully instead of wasting it.