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$6.5 billion of debt erased for millions of Americans

Hello; This is about a plan to erase medical debt for some. I read the link, but some details are not included. Has to do with being on Medicaid as well as income levels.

I agree the costs of medical care are outrageous. I would like to see some workable plans to deal with the costs. A take from reading this link is monies are taken from other taxpayers to fund this program. Nothing new about making taxpayers pay for special programs. Guess there appears to be a robbing Peter to pay Paul sort of aspect to the plan. On first reading I find serious questions and am not sure the program is a good idea.

Not sure what sort of tax the payment monies become.
(Hello; I posed this same question on a different forum. The following is a reply from another person. i copied the response here with permission.)

Medicare and Medicaid spending represent close to half of all federal outlays. The topic covers a lot of ground. I'll attempt to explain what's happening in NC.

The medical system in the US is a for-profit system. While there are non-profit segments, it's predominantly for-profit, private-provider driven.

People in the US are some of the unhealthiest on the planet. A casual stroll through your local WalMart will prove that.

Some patients receive coverage through their employer. For most, while their policies cover many costs, there are deductibles, lifetime caps and procedures not covered.

Other patients work, but their employer provides no coverage. Personal private plans are very expensive. Many might not be eligible for Medicaid expansion (Obamacare), if their state even offers it.

Some are on Medicare.

Others still are on Medicaid.

The patient population is generating a certain amount of costs. Will put these costs at $1. Insurers, state and federal agencies, through the various programs and reimbursement rates (all of which are different), cover let's say .90. At this moment, the medical provider is operating in the red.

Patients paying down their debt, charging more for some procedures while refusing Medicaid and Medicare recipients in some offices can bring that provider closer to being made whole. It's a clawback.

After recovering as much as possible, the provider (which ultimately includes Medicare, Medicaid, state and GOV offices) is still left with a certain amount of debt which, odds are, will not be paid. Providers then turn this unresolved debt over to collection agencies.

Collection agencies might buy the debt from the provider for pennies on the dollar. Let's say, $1M of accounts receivable for $100K. The agency then attempts to recover the full amount from the patients. The provider writes down the $900K loss. The collector makes a profit on anything recovered over the $100K cost. Agencies can also work on a commission schedule. If the collector receives X, they gift a percentage to the provider, pocketing the rest. It depends.

To the debtor, the debt is now on their credit history as a default, acting as a drag on their credit score, reflecting poorly on such things as interest rates, securing a mortgage, car loan, employment or renting an apartment.

Some, over the course of what could be years, pay down the debt. Others, don't have an income that affords them to pay it down. Through no fault of their own, they've encountered now a permanent drag on all things involving their credit history and credit score. "Debt collector" and "default" are the key words people notice, not that they had an unforeseen medical event they couldn't pay for.

Medial debt has become a huge issue for people throughout the country. In 2023, the state of NC passed the Healthcare Access and Stabilization Program (HASP). The position of the state of NC is this: "We know you have X% of medical debt on your books today, debt you'll most likely never recover. Instead of compensating you X% for Medicare and Medicaid recipients , we'll pay you X+X% (a certain percentage more) to erase that debt, if you agree to some conditions."

To clarify on debt and the paragraph above, it's patient debt. Private, Medicare and Medicaid. The HASP legislation is not program specific on the patient debt paid down, although it will be skewed towards Medicare and Medicaid patients.

HASP is funded by state, Medicare and Medicaid monies. The state taxes the people that live there and pays X for Medicaid and Medicare, with the GOV kicking in its percentage. There is no limit on the amounts. If a state taxes and receives $10T for its healthcare systems, technically, the GOV has to match what the state then spends.

Long-term, NC is paying their providers more for the coverage given. To the provider, there is expected to be less unrecoverable debt over time. To the beneficiaries, the burden of carrying that medical debt and its affects is lessened, if not removed entirely.

Each person will need to study their state and their provider systems. While private, Medicare and Medicaid coverage is common, not all states have expanded their systems (Obamacare). No state provides the same reimbursement rates. The Medicaid and Medicare monies being spent is a form of debt-sharing, both the state and the GOV paying their percentages. If the state pays less, the GOV pays less. If the state pays more, so does the GOV.

At one extreme, some in the US would like to return to a pre-LBJ War on Poverty system: no Medicare or Medicaid. At the other, some welcome a single-payer, non-profit system. Today, we're somewhere in-between, with 50 different systems under two national programs.

To the topic of healthcare and medical systems, these issues are not unique to us. The UK's system has been a train wreck of underfunding for decades. France has seen one PM after another exit as it tries to reform (raising taxes, while reducing benefits) it's programs. Due to its low birthrate and aging population, Japan will experience huge funding shortfalls. China's One-child policies have set it up for the same. India will be dealing with its own issues in 30 years time.

Each of the countries listed above, while having their own, unique characteristics, are seeing now or will experience the same:

- An aging population
- Fewer people paying in
- An increase in liabilities
 
I think the animal hate crimes need to be spread out more evenly around here.

In this intense episode of My Cat From Hell, Jackson Galaxy takes on one of his most alarming cases yet. Lee and Teresa are desperate for help after their cat, Lux, viciously attacked their 8-month-old baby—an incident so shocking, it went viral. Terrified, the family was forced to call 911 and lock themselves in their bedroom. Lux’s unpredictable aggression, hissing, and strange behaviour point to something deeper. Jackson soon uncovers that Lux is suffering from Feline Hyperesthesia Syndrome, a rare and distressing neurological condition. With tensions high and rehoming on the table, can Jackson calm the chaos before it’s too late? Watch how this high-stakes cat crisis unfolds, only on My Cat From Hell on Animal Planet.


 
Lol, "Feline Hyperesthesia Syndrome"?!? Google mentions a more common name: "twitchy cat syndrome".

I've never heard of it, but it sounds like what my father used to call "being a cat".

It's easily curable for about a dime. 🙄 :ROFL:
 
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Hello; Here is a dog link which is not about maulings. Likely some will not like it anyway. This is set in England. Seems a fine can be had of up to 1000 pounds for having a dog off a lead. Also restricts dog walkers to four dogs.
I get the off lead part. Not so much the four dog limit for walkers.

Have neighbors a couple of houses away. They tried to force their dog onto the neighborhood by letting him run loose. I was around the dog as a pup and it seemed OK. As it approached a year old it began to terrorize the neighborhood. It would apparently try to "herd" any of us. Was some sort of herding breed which mistook people for the herd has been the best explanation so far. Not a go for the throat sort but tried to get behind us and bite on the back of a leg.
A number of incidents resulted in police visits. That the dog would terrorize a neighbors kids finally brought things to a head. I had to intervene when the dog chassed two small children on my property. Kids were six & ten years old. Got to where the kids could not be in their own yard without the dog going after them.

The parent did not want to hurt the dog. I had already called the cops twice over the dog but he let it go for a long time. Saying he did not want to cause problems. I finally convinced him the dog owners were causing the problems. He began to call the cops which did little good. Since he has a lawyer for a pending divorce, I suggested he sue the dog owners. That appears to have worked. The owners have been keeping the dog in their own yard for some time now.
 
Guys, it is starting to sound like this animal mauling business needs its own thread.

I have some stories about my own animals but I will save them for that.


Meanwhile…
 
The rain has dried up and my car parts have arrived. Brake switches and grommets.

Now I can finally bleed the brakes and see what leaks develop.

It has just been too wet outdoors and so I’ve been hanging out inside working on a guitar for the past few days.

I went to the local Guitar store yesterday to look for some parts and I found out that they are closing at the end of the month. Business has just been too poor.

All the nasty **** that hit California starting about six years ago has finally started hitting my town.

But in spite of small business closings and other issues I still haven’t seen any protests in the streets here, and I don’t expect much to unless the Democrats do something incredibly stupid.

They are trying with this proposition 50 business to re-district the state but frankly it’s already so gerrymandered I don’t see how they could possibly make it worse.

In their Totally miss guided efforts they might actually make it better for the Republicans. So far every potential demo candidate is an obvious mental case.

Many days ago the federal government decided they were going to grab all the records of the California DMV, in an effort to unwind their illegal activities.
(Selling fake commercial licenses!)

We have the DMV office just one block from my house and when I went by yesterday the whole place was wrapped up in police tape.
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They put out some hokey sounding press release that said that they were closed for remodeling but the place was practically like new. It’s the second newest DMV in the region and I drew it, along with the newest DMV in the region as well.

I should go take a drive by that one, which is on the other side of Fresno about 20 miles, and see if it’s all wrapped up in tape.

You guys try not to get wrapped up in anything unsavory and have a wonderful day.
 
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