ok tank size for koi?

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RadleyMiller;601593; said:
What are you doing with plecos in the water, you live in Minnesota:screwy: They wouldn't mess with a full grown common though.

because every one knows its like freakin 30 bellow in minnesota year round.:screwy:
it gets 90 in the summer, and none of my fish stay outside in the winter.
 
midnight;601488; said:
lol dr joe.
next time i will say...
ok tank/container/tub/tupperware/pond/hole/watering hole/ditch/crater/troft/esc.esc./ size for koi?
:ROFL: just jokin.

but ya your right i did type that i guess,oops.
but also,this is in the pond section not aquarium.
so right when everyone stepped across that "pond section" line,its been a pond so na na. :ROFL: :D
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See, I knew you know those BIG words. :ROFL:

I'v e seen the pix of your 'pond' nothing wrong with them.:thumbsup:

Na Na? Is that any way for a college kid to talk...:ROFL: :p



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RadleyMiller;601506; said:
Well, if it is deeper, you maximize volume by minumizing surface area then you have a greater volume, you have a greater mass. With a greater mass you have a less change in temperature because the heat capacity of liquid H20 is 4.184 J*g. To make a long story short, if it is deeper it takes longer for it to get hot and if it stays cooler longer it holds more oxygen. That is what I was trying to get across.

Also, I only have about a year of practical experience, but years aren't that important. I met a guy that had been keeping fish for 20 years. Oscars in 20 gallons and never doing water changes. Midnight, I was trying to explain stuff to you, but Bizzaro cut in and said it would be fine even though he and I already had a discussion about his fish choice (2 Koi, channel cat, LMB in a 60 gallon)

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Ok, here we go...

Mass can stabilize temperature and oxygen content IF circulated properly. Depth without proper circulation causes temperature / water / chemical stratifcation. Increasing depth without increasing width or length decreases the ratio of surface area to water volume, in turn adversely affecting the gass exchange rate. This is of major concern with a pond.

As you increase depth, you increase water density, & you decrease the amount of usable oxygen in water per cf. because of that pressure increase.

Liquid H2O...cute.


Was it you or someone else that said it takes at least a year to mature a pond (to lazy to look back, sorry)... Then you would be considered a freshman (notice I didn't say first grader!) I do give book learnin' credits.

Years of experience are only unimportant to people that do not have them... Try applying for a Skilled / Professional / Master 'anything' job, without experience they won't even read your appt. I've hired many people with experience over ones with a degree, mainly because they actually know how things work. And I've fired many people fresh out of college & these new technical institutes (they are a bad joke)...no practical skills. I would have to train them all over. Not my job. This is how the majority of business' think... oopps going to far off target here. Back to fish.

As far as the 'guy' you meet, how often was he replacing fish? Or did he have a balanced system...
Or more importantly was 'he' blowing smoke or inhaling it?! :ROFL:

Even stupid people learn or give up.

Got any recent pix or the ponds your taking care of? (thought I saw an old one awhile back ?)

Hey, off the wall question...Do they have a marine science course at your H.S.?

Dr Joe

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plecos are tropical fish, koi arent, i wouldnt mix them as they have different needs. i'd keep sturgeon with koi though
 
missyme06;601726; said:
because every one knows its like freakin 30 bellow in minnesota year round.:screwy:
it gets 90 in the summer, and none of my fish stay outside in the winter.

It still doesn't seem practical to have a pleco, not enough time for them to grow. A hi fin banded shark would do better.


Dr Joe;602241; said:
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See, I knew you know those BIG words. :ROFL:

I'v e seen the pix of your 'pond' nothing wrong with them.:thumbsup:

Na Na? Is that any way for a college kid to talk...:ROFL: :p



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Ok, here we go...

Mass can stabilize temperature and oxygen content IF circulated properly. Depth without proper circulation causes temperature / water / chemical stratifcation. Which explains seasonal productivity changes in temperate waters, very low productivity in the tropics, and higher productivity in polar watersIncreasing depth without increasing width or length decreases the ratio of surface area to water volume, in turn adversely affecting the gass exchange rate. This is of major concern with a pond.Which is why turnover in a pond is crucial

As you increase depth, you increase water density, & you decrease the amount of usable oxygen in water per cf. because of that pressure increase.

Liquid H2O...cute. Liquid Dihydrogen monoxide good enough for you?


Was it you or someone else that said it takes at least a year to mature a pond yea, it was me, I was trying to tell him you can't just do a fishless cycle on a new pond and Volia, you have a new pond that is ready like you can do with a tank(to lazy to look back, sorry)... Then you would be considered a freshmanI'm actually a senior going to school next year for Pre-vet, Wildlife Conservation, or Zoo Science (notice I didn't say first grader!) I do give book learnin' credits.I can read and I is reading good.I do read a lot of magazines and look on here for stuff and other websites

Years of experience are only unimportant to people that do not have them... Try applying for a Skilled / Professional / Master 'anything' job, without experience they won't even read your appt.I know I've hired many people with experience over ones with a degree, mainly because they actually know how things work. And I've fired many people fresh out of college & these new technical institutes (they are a bad joke)you're correct, "plastic" degrees...no practical skills. I would have to train them all over. Not my job. This is how the majority of business' think... oopps going to far off target here. Back to fish. Well, I want to work at a zoo and I have been at one since 2002, so I guess you could say I have a leg up on people fresh out of college with no experience :thumbsup:

As far as the 'guy' you meet, how often was he replacing fish? Or did he have a balanced system...
Or more importantly was 'he' blowing smoke or inhaling it?! :ROFL:

Even stupid people learn or give up.
I don't know DrJoe, I couldn't stand him, he was so arrogant. I am sure a lot of people on here would have been pissed off at him too
Got any recent pix or the ponds your taking care of? (thought I saw an old one awhile back ?)Nope, sorry, I never thought to take any.

Hey, off the wall question...Do they have a marine science course at your H.S.?yes, I am taking it right now so I understand about stratification of layers do to a thermal barrier. In a pond, you should be pumping from several layers of the pond and circulating the water correctly

Dr Joe

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Dr Joe;602246; said:
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Mn Weather

http://countrystudies.us/united-states/weather/minnesota/stillwater.htm


Nice if your a penguin :D


Hey missyme06 I got a Condo for Sale here...Interested? :D

Tampa Weather






Got the windows open now...

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If you ask me, it's too cold for a pleco. I wouldn't mind, but the pleco is from a slightly warmer water.
 
RadleyMiller;602347; said:

It still doesn't seem practical to have a pleco, not enough time for them to grow. A hi fin banded shark would do better.


If you ask me, it's too cold for a pleco. I wouldn't mind, but the pleco is from a slightly warmer water.

well that doesn't matter, cause thier dead.

Dr Joe;602246; said:
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Mn Weather

http://countrystudies.us/united-states/weather/minnesota/stillwater.htm


Nice if your a penguin :D


Hey missyme06 I got a Condo for Sale here...Interested? :D

Tampa Weather

well, they're dead so that doesn't matter.





Got the windows open now...

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no thanx, i went to florda once and saw people wearing biger winter coats then iv ever seen up here in 50 degree weather. the word wussies came to mind, plus from what i here you have old people and they smell.:) aaaannd, you can't play winter death sports with out frozen rivers and lakes.
 
missyme06;602667; said:
well that doesn't matter, cause thier dead.



no thanx, i went to florda once and saw people wearing biger winter coats then iv ever seen up here in 50 degree weather. the word wussies came to mind, plus from what i here you have old people and they smell.:) aaaannd, you can't play winter death sports with out frozen rivers and lakes.


Thats because people in warm climates get cold really easily. Like they think 50 degrees is cold. 50 degrees is shorts weather. So is 40 and sometimes 30.
 
to get one going 150 gal no less then think bigger
 
missyme06;602667; said:
well that doesn't matter, cause thier dead.



no thanx, i went to florda once and saw people wearing biger winter coats then iv ever seen up here in 50 degree weather. the word wussies came to mind, plus from what i here you have old people and they smell.:) aaaannd, you can't play winter death sports with out frozen rivers and lakes.
exactly... they are total wusses... then again, my resistance to cold freaks out people who have lived here all their lives.
 
FishSkins;602731; said:
to get one going 150 gal no less then think bigger

150 is tooo small! Atleast 300 for one koi. 500 better, 900 best.

fishcatch22;602745; said:
exactly... they are total wusses... then again, my resistance to cold freaks out people who have lived here all their lives.

:werd: are you still wearing shorts? :thumbsup:
 
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