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Orca seriously injured at seaworld
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Aren't you due for a breaking news thread? That reminds me I need to check out the link from your last pm
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If you're trying to say them and any other formerly Busch related park do not have the animals there to attract customers and turn a profit that is naive. Their parks are a multibillion dollar business and what goes to rescue, research, and education is a drop in the bucket. The majority of Seaworlds activites are NOT rescue, research, or education motivated, and nor are their non-profit facilities strictly funded by the entertainment parks, but public funds and grants like any other non-profit. If you visit a Seaworld park most of your money is going to profit their parent company, which goes against the persona they present to the public - that they are mostly rescue/research/education facilities.
Not sure what that has to do with the ethics of keeping them in captivity for breeding and show. And regarding Seaworld in particular, like I said, their rescue organizations are a drop in the bucket compared to their for profit business ventures, so I don't know if I'd consider that a huge role.
I'm not sure what you intended to say. They don't make a profit when they breed or sell them, or that they don't sell them at all? The latter of which isn't true, because they've sold and leased animals to other parks, and they certainly gain a long term profit through breeding since their marine mammals are their main attraction.
The cost of their breeding and maintenance programs are high, but they make it back from admission and merchandising. Again, if you mean to suggest they're doing it for some altruistic reason they're not. They're owned by a huge for profit corporation, and that's the main goal.
I never intended to say animals in captivity play no role in conservation (though maybe you're referring to someone else).
My comments regarding that were specifically for Seaworld and similar parks, whose captive specimens aren't largely for conservation efforts - though they have always presented themselves in that manner publicly.
Seaworld does have not for profit facilities that do function in that manner, but the majority of their facilities are mostly not for that.
A lot of people come to the parks not only to be entertained, but because they think a large portion of what they spend there is going to conservation, since the company puts a ton of money into advertising the rescues which is a much lesser portion of their business than they'd have people think.
Not sure what that has to do with the ethics of keeping them in captivity for breeding and show. And regarding Seaworld in particular, like I said, their rescue organizations are a drop in the bucket compared to their for profit business ventures, so I don't know if I'd consider that a huge role.
I'm not sure what you intended to say. They don't make a profit when they breed or sell them, or that they don't sell them at all? The latter of which isn't true, because they've sold and leased animals to other parks, and they certainly gain a long term profit through breeding since their marine mammals are their main attraction.
The cost of their breeding and maintenance programs are high, but they make it back from admission and merchandising. Again, if you mean to suggest they're doing it for some altruistic reason they're not. They're owned by a huge for profit corporation, and that's the main goal.
I never intended to say animals in captivity play no role in conservation (though maybe you're referring to someone else).
My comments regarding that were specifically for Seaworld and similar parks, whose captive specimens aren't largely for conservation efforts - though they have always presented themselves in that manner publicly.
Seaworld does have not for profit facilities that do function in that manner, but the majority of their facilities are mostly not for that.
A lot of people come to the parks not only to be entertained, but because they think a large portion of what they spend there is going to conservation, since the company puts a ton of money into advertising the rescues which is a much lesser portion of their business than they'd have people think.
Wow, it's rare that a thread is entertaining AND educational
It's like watching two guys fist fight during a public debate
It's like watching two guys fist fight during a public debate
I didnt really bend anything, and I dont take even my own word as being 100% or as being sacred. That's just how I feel. I dont claim to be more intelligent than anyone else, or to have a more "correct" opinion. It's just my own opinion on what's right and what's wrong.
Sorry for the confusion, I dont mean rescued Cetaceans, I mean born in captivity. I know enrichment is more than one static thing... that was a stupid over-simplification, my apologies, I worked at a zoo from when I was 13 to when I was 16... I'm not criticizing what you guys do, it's just how I feel. I apologize if I offended ya. Also the fact that it's Seaworld being discussed makes me kinda suspiciers, I mean, maybe they are reputable... but they remind me of Disney's Animal Kingdom, in that it's an amusement park first, and an animal facility second. But again, I could be wrong.
Sumo's just jealous that he got beat out by all the other cougars on the list...
I didn't say they aren't in it for profit, but they aren't making profits off of breeding and selling marine mammals as was being implied. Most of the goal of big parks is education. Education is via exposing the general public to these animals. Can you be entertained while be educated? Of course. That is how they hold your attention. Just like childrens programing on TV. It has to be both entertaining and educational. When you visit a park, a vast majority of the money is going to keep the park running, the animals fed and healthy and paying the staff who keeps it all happening.
Are you familiar with the budgets of parks like this and what percentages get devoted to the budgets of various divisions?
To me, any exotic animal on display is there for conservation in some forum. They are acting as embassadors for the entire species. They're allowing people to get upclose and see things that they would otherwise never see. Allowing that connection allows people to care about them (including the wild populations). Seeing them is education. Education results in conservation. It's the big picture. Don't get too focused on a small part of a giant action these parks are making in the world. It's like saying you won't get a shot because it hurts, but the injection will be giving you the ability to fight off a much larger issue in the future than a small poke right now.
I would say that more money goes rescue what you think. I'm saying that from 1st hand exeperience working with various parks all over the US.
Again, very little (percentage-wise) is profit when looking at what it takes to maintain the park/animals they have. It may seem like a lot because the actual number in the profit column is so large. Compare it to the annual expenses for running the park and you'd be amazed how little is actually being made.
