Outstanding Alternative to Massivore
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Pellets are a mix of 1/8 and 1/4 inches (two batches)
Rays are 15.75, 13 1/8, 13.75 inches from snout to base of tails.
I feed 1/3 to 1/2 cup a day. Sometimes twice a day.
One advantage to this pellets is in the use of an automatic feeder. The uniformity in density and shape is remarkable.
Pellets are a mix of 1/8 and 1/4 inches (two batches)
Rays are 15.75, 13 1/8, 13.75 inches from snout to base of tails.
I feed 1/3 to 1/2 cup a day. Sometimes twice a day.
One advantage to this pellets is in the use of an automatic feeder. The uniformity in density and shape is remarkable.
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I have used it for bulk carbon, zeolite, flake food, smelt, shrimp...almost anything for long term controlled storage.
I have used it for bulk carbon, zeolite, flake food, smelt, shrimp...almost anything for long term controlled storage.
two things to watch with aquaculture foods...
excessive growth rates as these foods are designed to get the fish to market size quickly........not long term health
also some tend to foul the water quickly as they were designed to be used in commercial systems with high water replacement rates
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excessive growth rates as these foods are designed to get the fish to market size quickly........not long term health
also some tend to foul the water quickly as they were designed to be used in commercial systems with high water replacement rates
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johnptc;2667480; said:
you are not the first ive heard this from but you confirm the same... i did look into these before and another type of food as well... hikari does get expensive but i seem to trust it more...
Marius;2664935; said:You shouldn't be worried about the high protein and fat content. Rays are known for their Speedy-Gonzalez-like-metabolism and the worst that can happen is you get a nice, healthy, fat ray ...
I don't think that a fat ray = healthy ray.
I use this kind of food but with 14% protein. Not more. Its used in aquaculture, but not for growing, just for maintenance of the fish. When the fishes have the desired size and weight is this one they use.
The others with more fat and protein, the first one used for very little fishes as 58% protein and 14% fat and this % is lowering with the growth of the fish, are used for fast growth. So, in my opinion, they are dangerous and lower the life expectancy of the fishes.
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not to derail this, or berate that website, but i can add that kensfish.com also sells a quality pellet that is cheaper than massivore.
they have tons of different kinds, with all sorts of variances, but they have one intended for fast growth .... something along the lines of 45% minimum protein, and 15% minimum fat
its pretty cheap, and shipping is reasonable, and fast.
their website has everything listed very well and all info and ingredients are there to look at.
none of the pellets i have tried fouled the water.
their larger pellets are pretty hard, and so it took my cats a little while to accept the change from softer Hikari pellets, but they eventually came around
they have tons of different kinds, with all sorts of variances, but they have one intended for fast growth .... something along the lines of 45% minimum protein, and 15% minimum fat
its pretty cheap, and shipping is reasonable, and fast.
their website has everything listed very well and all info and ingredients are there to look at.
none of the pellets i have tried fouled the water.
their larger pellets are pretty hard, and so it took my cats a little while to accept the change from softer Hikari pellets, but they eventually came around
The actual recipe for the exact batch of pellets that I am feeding isn't available right this moment. I will get it from my colleague ASAP.
The batch that I am feeding right now does not cloud the water, not does it cause any unusual smell or staining of the tank/equipment.
The batch mix in hand is used by my colleague to slow-grow sturgeon in a recirculating aquaculture system. He is not going for bulk, he is going long term striving for minimum cost. I offered that he allow me to test the batch on my rays. Both species being long-lived, mostly cartilagenous fish with spiral-valve intestines.
DISCLAIMER:
Maybe I should have written this before.... What I report he is not concrete scientific proof. I write only what I observe and do not promise the same results to anyone under any circumstances. (maybe this is obvious)
I have emailed my colleague and will post the recipe a soon as I get it.
Respectfully,
FireMedic.
The batch that I am feeding right now does not cloud the water, not does it cause any unusual smell or staining of the tank/equipment.
The batch mix in hand is used by my colleague to slow-grow sturgeon in a recirculating aquaculture system. He is not going for bulk, he is going long term striving for minimum cost. I offered that he allow me to test the batch on my rays. Both species being long-lived, mostly cartilagenous fish with spiral-valve intestines.
DISCLAIMER:
Maybe I should have written this before.... What I report he is not concrete scientific proof. I write only what I observe and do not promise the same results to anyone under any circumstances. (maybe this is obvious)
I have emailed my colleague and will post the recipe a soon as I get it.
Respectfully,
FireMedic.
