Overcrowding
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bitteraspects;2598953; said:comes from being right so often. it sucks, but what can i do
So I'll take that as you DON'T have proof of ever keeping an overcrowded tank of adult CA cichlids. blah blah blah all talk.
balton777;2598926; said:
proof has been posted. watch it again with your mind open and mouth closed. you might learn something
not to mention, thus far, 65.71% agree with me.
do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself. you have a different opinion them more then half the people that answered this post, one of which is me who actually practices this method of fishkeeping SUCCESSFULLY. if you dont like it, or dont agree, thats fine. but dont make yourself look even more foolish by trying to push a subject you arent really familiar with
do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself. you have a different opinion them more then half the people that answered this post, one of which is me who actually practices this method of fishkeeping SUCCESSFULLY. if you dont like it, or dont agree, thats fine. but dont make yourself look even more foolish by trying to push a subject you arent really familiar with
to be fair to balton777 he mentioned about providing proof of keeping adult fish of that aggression level together like your doing. you admit earlier on that the biggest fish, a 9" dovii and mayan, are more than big enough to kill all. but you do realise that dovii are nowhere near adults at 9".
when he has challenged your "proof" you just tell him to shut up. meaning you cant or wont answer his question directly.
i think you need to provide proof of adult fish, ie 20+" dovii, living in that tank with everything else in harmony because aggression is so spread out. you should do this before telling people to shut up when they ask for proof or your words will have no credit in a post you started.
it is a good poll though, i have read about applying the overcrowding theory to new world tanks but it appears to have substantially less success than in a rift lake setting. the theory is good and is proven with africans but i do think that overcrowding new world cichlids is just postponing the innevitable. eventually someone is gonna snap and do the nasty. it may, however, work with cichlids that are less aggressive than dovii. in a tank like that your just providing dovii with its natural prey in an enclosed setting. hunting other fish is what it does, pure and simple. your just taking out the hunting or challenge aspect to its prey.
when he has challenged your "proof" you just tell him to shut up. meaning you cant or wont answer his question directly.
i think you need to provide proof of adult fish, ie 20+" dovii, living in that tank with everything else in harmony because aggression is so spread out. you should do this before telling people to shut up when they ask for proof or your words will have no credit in a post you started.
it is a good poll though, i have read about applying the overcrowding theory to new world tanks but it appears to have substantially less success than in a rift lake setting. the theory is good and is proven with africans but i do think that overcrowding new world cichlids is just postponing the innevitable. eventually someone is gonna snap and do the nasty. it may, however, work with cichlids that are less aggressive than dovii. in a tank like that your just providing dovii with its natural prey in an enclosed setting. hunting other fish is what it does, pure and simple. your just taking out the hunting or challenge aspect to its prey.
bitteraspects said:
Whenever I see this topic come up I have to shake my head and think, "here's someone else trying to justify keeping more fish than the tank can safely hold." The issue shouldn't be can they survive together, but will they thrive together. An excessive amount of juvenile fish in a smaller living environment is, in some ways a natural occurrence (kinda) since juvenile fish do stick together for a period of time when in the wild. The difference is water quality and the impact on their development. Large fish (CA/SA cichlids) do not with the exception being breeding.
Water purity aside, fish packed tight in a tank will show slower growth and in some cases more susceptible to disease. As an example I have four P. Fredrichsthali in a 100 gallon tank and two in a 300 gallon tank with four Blue Labridens. All of the fish were in a separate 300 grow out for the first part of their life growing out together...and the same size. The fish that were "crowded" into the 100 gallon tank are now smaller by almost an inch than the fish in the larger tank. I wouldn't consider the 100 small for four fish...but the point made is that a smaller container will yield smaller fish.
Fish release phermones in the water that lets all of the fish in the tank know how many are in the body of water. This might explain a lack of aggression in an "overcrowded" tank...like fist fighting in a broom closet. The second thing to consider is that in a smaller tank territories become blurred...putting the kabosh on natural cichlid behavior. Not to mention that you always have that chance that one of the fish could snap and do damage to the other fish in the tank. They may not be aggressive all of the time, but it only takes once to create a disaster. I can only speak for myself...but if I put some time into raising fish properly I don't want to roll the dice and hope their eternal piece...between my CICHLIDS. LOL
So...my two cents...it's not a matter of could it, but SHOULD it. 65% may have agreed, but I don't see that many folks posting results. It's just a poll. Fish can't respond to a poll. Practice responsible fishkeeping. If you have more fish, get more tanks.
Although I am changing things with the purchase of my large nearly 20 inch dovii to go in my 20 gallon, I have what many consider to be an overstocked 210 at the moment. To make this successful I have massive filtration (3 ac 110's 1 fluval fx5, and one fluval 305), I do weekly large water changes, and it has taken a lot of trial and error. I do agree with the posters that say it decreases aggression, but changes natural behavior. I also think that natural behavior for me anyway isn't the end all. After all, they are in a glass box, not the wild. That being said, I understand and respect the view of others who want to replicate natural behavior as closely as possible. The photo you see has 14 medium to large mosty adult cichlids including large oscars, jag, gt, jds, rtm, freddy, blackbelt, and others. Now at the moment it is very peaceful. Like I said, "you bet it does" is an oversimplified answer.
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