Pet hyena
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what am I missing,most of the last posts were still about hyenas and around the topic still of those and wild pets.
As far as I can see, we were already drifting away to other stuff...I may be wrong..but would like the discussion to proceed in as civilized a manner as we are having for the last 13 pages....
Veacane;2408401; said:
Understood, but for these people (in Americas) who thinking about getting hyena as pet, they need to realized that majority of exotic animals ended in sanctuaries, small zoos and private ranches which already full with unlucky animals (mainly lions and tigers). Or it could worse if their pet ended up in canned hunts and taxidermies (mainly exotic hoofed animals and predators). This is reality, not in their dreams...sorry if I was negative person.
Real zoos wont take the exotic pets in as they dont need another mutt tigers or wolves to mixed bloodlines with endangered animals.
Ok guys its being a real mess of ideas around here so lets see if we can get things foard. First of domesticated or no domesticated? Domesticate a organism only implies that man has the control over its life cicle, that is being able to breed the animal or plant, generacion after generacion without capturing new wild expecimens. In this defenicion we see that from dwarf rasbonas to beluga whales alot of animals can be considered domesticated. Dogs are more than domesticated and so are most pet shop fish and ...hyenas because they are relatively easy to bred in captivity under good cir****ances (in comparison white rhinos can be at leasty teoricly for now be considered undomesticated because captured wild rhinos mate and breed in captivity originating f1 descendents that for some reason have trobble breeding and f2s are very rare in white rhinos). Another completly diferent matter is tameness wich involves creating some sort of "emocional" bond with the human keeper that prevents him to be shredded into peaces by the animal he "owns". In that matter for example crocodiles can be considered domestic (some lineages of crocs have been developed in captivity and dont exist in the wild for the skin trade) but completly untamed. Dogs and hyenas in comparison can be tamed. And they are behaviorialy very close, some cientists say that if we havent chose the grey wolf for our hunting companion, hyenas would have taken he´s place. And there isnt that big of a diference between "wild animals" and "domestic animals" if we think about it hard. Lets make a litle experiment
with 2 animals: a dog and a iguana. The first is a animal domesticated like 10.000 years ago, "the men´s best friend" and teoricly made to be on our side all the time. The second is a animal that I particulary fancy but that some people consider unaceptable to have in captivity, it has been in captivity for less that 2 centurys in wich more than half of the time would only live a cople of moths and that only has been bred significaly in the last 20 years or so.
First lets take a bunch of labrador retriver puppys, deprive them of all human contact, feed them on fresh meat from a carcase, house them in progressively larger outdoor habitats, give them game to hunt and finely introduce them in a pristine woodland habitat. What would you get? A pack of wild dogs, exacly equal to a wolf pack and wich would probably run away if they saw humans. 10.000 years of domesticacion flushed in a single generacion. Now lets get a nice captive bred baby green iguana, get her a nice and big habitat with all the logistics and supplys she needs, give her lots of gentle daily handling, afection and veggys and as she grows she is allowed to free roam the house and will probably pick a daily rotine. What will you get? A loving long lived pet that can be compared in he´s atitude to a normal house cat. Now comparing this 2 animals, one originaly considered "domestic" and the other considered "wild", wich one of them is the most domestic?
It aint that simple.
As for my opinion regarding hyenas, lions and stuff I beleave they should be allowed to be owned privetly but certanly not by Joe the plumer
A VERY acertive and restrictive permit program along side mental profiling of the interesteds, their economic and living situacion, their experience dealing with dangerous animals,etc as well as rotine inspecions like you would in a zoo I beleave its the minimum to make this work correctly. The restricons should be such that only the most ultimate keeprs with all the condicions would be allowed to have the animals. If Donalt Trump wiches to have a lion or a hyena I have absolutley no problems with. In this kind of situacions I also beleave the animals shouldnt be considered pets but projects, the keepers could work with zoo specialists to keep stub books of the animals and to help keep this animals alive on this planet. Aparently there are more domestic tigers in the US than wild tigers in Asia. Even if a big bunch of them are intergrates or cross breds this is a gene farm that we dont have the rigth to ignore. But now keeping this animals only to say Im cool and to the trully sence of pet NO, there are more than our fair share of critters that satisfy this comon even if not legitimate ideals. 
with 2 animals: a dog and a iguana. The first is a animal domesticated like 10.000 years ago, "the men´s best friend" and teoricly made to be on our side all the time. The second is a animal that I particulary fancy but that some people consider unaceptable to have in captivity, it has been in captivity for less that 2 centurys in wich more than half of the time would only live a cople of moths and that only has been bred significaly in the last 20 years or so. First lets take a bunch of labrador retriver puppys, deprive them of all human contact, feed them on fresh meat from a carcase, house them in progressively larger outdoor habitats, give them game to hunt and finely introduce them in a pristine woodland habitat. What would you get? A pack of wild dogs, exacly equal to a wolf pack and wich would probably run away if they saw humans. 10.000 years of domesticacion flushed in a single generacion. Now lets get a nice captive bred baby green iguana, get her a nice and big habitat with all the logistics and supplys she needs, give her lots of gentle daily handling, afection and veggys and as she grows she is allowed to free roam the house and will probably pick a daily rotine. What will you get? A loving long lived pet that can be compared in he´s atitude to a normal house cat. Now comparing this 2 animals, one originaly considered "domestic" and the other considered "wild", wich one of them is the most domestic?
It aint that simple. As for my opinion regarding hyenas, lions and stuff I beleave they should be allowed to be owned privetly but certanly not by Joe the plumer
A VERY acertive and restrictive permit program along side mental profiling of the interesteds, their economic and living situacion, their experience dealing with dangerous animals,etc as well as rotine inspecions like you would in a zoo I beleave its the minimum to make this work correctly. The restricons should be such that only the most ultimate keeprs with all the condicions would be allowed to have the animals. If Donalt Trump wiches to have a lion or a hyena I have absolutley no problems with. In this kind of situacions I also beleave the animals shouldnt be considered pets but projects, the keepers could work with zoo specialists to keep stub books of the animals and to help keep this animals alive on this planet. Aparently there are more domestic tigers in the US than wild tigers in Asia. Even if a big bunch of them are intergrates or cross breds this is a gene farm that we dont have the rigth to ignore. But now keeping this animals only to say Im cool and to the trully sence of pet NO, there are more than our fair share of critters that satisfy this comon even if not legitimate ideals.
These last pages are still on hyenas and wild animals, I dont think we're drifting away. Maybe its you.Miguel;2408742; said:
MN_Rebel;2408798; said:These last pages are still on hyenas and wild animals, I dont think we're drifting away. Maybe its you.
Maybe it is me...
But even so, keep on track, please. Let me be the sole drifter.....
its drifted from speculated requirements on keeping a hyena and general chit chat to whether its moral or not to keep them. maybe we should stay away from the "morals", and keep it to the "if i were to get one, what would i need?" subject.
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