Pit Bulls

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mattison187;2313168; said:
look like bandogs of some sort.(mixed with bulldog,mastiffe ect.)

Well if he's a razors edge or Tx bully type then yes, since the breeders who want the heavy thick dogs have been mixing mastiffs in the dogs weigh more, Razors edge has had a LOT of dogs removed from the UKC database since they learned they were mixing them.
 
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bettagurl;2310250; said:
nice pups.. why on earth does Chuck weigh so much? Pits are supposed to weigh between 35-50 lbs, 60 is considered a large-ish pittie..
Where did you get him?
A buddy of mine used to breed them in Olathe (Kansas city metro area) until every city around here started making them illegal. I got a pup from the last litter they had three years ago. His mom was a full blue and his dad was brindle. Hence the blue brindle color in his coat. When I got him at 5 weeks old he was completely blue with bright blue eyes but as he has aged his brindle started to appear. As for saying pits are supposed to be 35- 50lbs is like saying humans can only range from 150lbs to 200lbs when there are people that way far less the 100lbs and over 800lbs. There are exceptions to every rule.
 
mattison187;2313168; said:
look like bandogs of some sort.(mixed with bulldog,mastiffe ect.)
Looks like a 100% pure pit bull. Oh ya wait it is a 100% pure pitbull. I was there when he was born. I still take him to see his parents every so often. Jealousy... it's like when the guy batting next to you is hitting home runs all the time when you can't hit the ball out of the infield. You scream that he is on steroids instead of just admitting that he is naturally better then you. Oh and I have no problem with pup mixes. Dottie (the white one) I adopted from a shelter at 3 month's old and they said she might have American bull dog mixed in her. Just don't want people trying to sound so knowledgeable on a tropic, when ovbously they are wrong. No hard feelings and I don't mean to come off as an ass, just stating the facts.
 
seangtat2kc;2331166; said:
Looks like a 100% pure pit bull. Oh ya wait it is a 100% pure pitbull. I was there when he was born. I still take him to see his parents every so often. Jealousy... it's like when the guy batting next to you is hitting home runs all the time when you can't hit the ball out of the infield. You scream that he is on steroids instead of just admitting that he is naturally better then you. Oh and I have no problem with pup mixes. Dottie (the white one) I adopted from a shelter at 3 month's old and they said she might have American bull dog mixed in her. Just don't want people trying to sound so knowledgeable on a tropic, when ovbously they are wrong. No hard feelings and I don't mean to come off as an ass, just stating the facts.

Pits are SUPPOSED to be that weight, it's their breed standard.
Just like GSDs are supposed to be a certain weight, but they vary in size.

Please don't get people all heated up on here.
 
Ambull pit mix would be a bandog, usually it's a neo mastiff APBT mix, but a real Bulldog of any kind mixed with a pit could be called a 'bandog'.

Nothing against your dogs, they're gorgeous, but that weight is just weird.
The other thing that made me think he possibly had mastiff in his background was his lips, they are supposed to be clean and tight(according to breed standard).
I'm simply curious, do his breeders have his pedigree(going back many generations)?
Razors Edge pits don't look like bad dogs, some look like pits, but they are just big, because their great grandsire was a mastiff or something. Don't get offended over our curiosity, it's like seeing a 20lb pomeranian(who isn't overweight ;) ).
 
For anyone interested in reading all about them....
http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/...52574b10060ded0?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,APBT
Terrier Group
©Copyright 1978, United Kennel Club, Inc................(1)View Registration Requirements

HISTORY
Sometime during the nineteenth century, dog fanciers in England, Ireland and Scotland began to experiment with crosses between Bulldogs and Terriers, looking for a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the Bulldog. The result was a dog that embodied all of the virtues attributed to great warriors: strength, indomitable courage, and gentleness with loved ones. Immigrants brought these bull and terrier crosses to the United States. The American Pit Bull Terrier’s many talents did not go unnoticed by farmers and ranchers who used their APBTs as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions. Today, the American Pit Bull Terrier continues to demonstrate its versatility, competing successfully in Obedience, Tracking, Agility and Weight Pulls, as well as Conformation.

The United Kennel Club was the first registry to recognize the American Pit Bull Terrier. UKC founder C. Z. Bennett assigned UKC registration number 1 to his own APBT, Bennett’s Ring, in 1898.

GENERAL APPEARANCE
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but *****es may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog’s height at the withers. The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped. The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point. The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns except merle. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy. Above all else, the APBT must have the functional capability to be a catch dog that can hold, wrestle (push and pull) and breathe easily while doing its job. Balance and harmony of all parts are critical components of breed type.

Very Serious Fault: Any disproportionate overdone characteristic (such as short legs, excessive bone or massive head or body) that would interfere with working ability.

CHARACTERISTICS
The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed’s natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work.


HEAD
The APBT head is unique and a key element of breed type. It is large and broad, giving the impression of great power, but it is not disproportionate to the size of the body. Viewed from the front, the head is shaped like a broad, blunt wedge. When viewed from the side, the skull and muzzle are parallel to one another and joined by a well defined, moderately deep stop. Supraorbital arches over the eyes are well defined but not pronounced. The head is well chiseled, blending strength, elegance, and character.

Very Serious Fault: Overly large, heavy heads.

SKULL - The skull is large, flat or slightly rounded, deep, and broad between the ears. Viewed from the top, the skull tapers just slightly toward the stop. There is a deep median furrow that diminishes in depth from the stop to the occiput. Cheek muscles are prominent but free of wrinkles. When the dog is concentrating, wrinkles form on the forehead, which give the APBT his unique expression.

MUZZLE - The muzzle is broad and deep with a very slight taper from the stop to the nose, and a slight falling away under the eyes. The length of muzzle is shorter than the length of skull, with a ratio of approximately 2:3. The topline of the muzzle is straight. The lower jaw is well developed, wide and deep. Lips are clean and tight.

Faults: Snipey muzzle; flews; weak lower jaw.

Very Serious Fault: Muzzle too short, which impairs breathing capability.

TEETH - The American Pit Bull Terrier has a complete set of evenly spaced, white teeth meeting in a scissors bite.

Fault: Level bite.

Serious Faults: Undershot, or overshot bite; wry mouth; missing teeth (this does not apply to teeth that have been lost or removed by a veterinarian).

NOSE - The nose is large with wide, open nostrils. The nose may be any color.

EYES - Eyes are medium size, round and set well apart and low on the skull. All colors are equally acceptable except blue, which is a serious fault. Haw should not be visible.

Serious Faults: Bulging eyes; both eyes not matched in color; blue eyes.

EARS - Ears are high set and may be natural or cropped without preference. Prick or flat, wide ears are not desired.

NECK
The neck is of moderate length and muscular. There is a slight arch at the crest. The neck widens gradually from where it joins the skull to where it blends into well laid-back shoulders. The skin on the neck is tight and without dewlap.

Faults: Neck too thin or weak; ewe neck; dewlap.

Very Serious Fault: A short, thick neck that would interfere with functional ability.

FOREQUARTERS
The shoulder blades are long, wide, muscular, and well laid back. The upper arm is roughly equal in length to the shoulder blade and joins it at an apparent right angle.

The forelegs are strong and muscular. The elbows are set close to the body. Viewed from the front, the forelegs are set moderately wide apart and perpendicular to the ground. The pasterns are short, powerful, straight, and flexible. When viewed in profile, the pasterns are nearly erect.

Faults: Upright or loaded shoulders; elbows turned outward or tied-in; down at the pasterns; front legs bowed; wrists knuckled over; toeing in or out.

Very Serious Fault: Legs shorter than half the total height at the withers.

BODY
The chest is deep, well filled in, and moderately wide with ample room for heart and lungs, but the chest should never be wider than it is deep. The forechest does not extend much beyond the point of shoulder. The ribs extend well back and are well sprung from the spine, then flattening to form a deep body extending to the elbows. The back is strong and firm. The topline inclines very slightly downward from the withers to a broad, muscular, level back. The loin is short, muscular and slightly arched to the top of the croup, but narrower than the rib cage and with a moderate tuck-up. The croup is slightly sloping downward.

Very Serious Fault: Overly massive body style that impedes working ability.

HINDQUARTERS
The hindquarters are strong, muscular, and moderately broad. The rump is well filled in on each side of the tail and deep from the pelvis to the crotch. The bone, angulation, and musculature of the hindquarters are in balance with the forequarters. The thighs are well developed with thick, easily discerned muscles. Viewed from the side, the hock joint is well bent and the rear pasterns are well let down and perpendicular to the ground. Viewed from the rear, the rear pasterns are straight and parallel to one another.

Faults: Narrow hindquarters; hindquarters shallow from pelvis to crotch; lack of muscle; straight or over angulated stifle joint; cow hocks; sickle hocks; bowed legs.

FEET
The feet are round, proportionate to the size of the dog, well arched, and tight. Pads are hard, tough, and well cushioned. Dewclaws may be removed.

Fault: Splayed feet.

TAIL
The tail is set on as a natural extension of the topline, and tapers to a point. When the dog is relaxed, the tail is carried low and extends approximately to the hock. When the dog is moving, the tail is carried level with the backline. When the dog is excited, the tail may be carried in a raised, upright position (challenge tail), but never curled over the back (*** tail).

Fault: Long tail (tail tip passes beyond point of hock).

Serious faults: *** tail (not to be confused with challenge tail); kinked tail.

Disqualification: Bobbed tail.

COAT
The coat is glossy and smooth, close, and moderately stiff to the touch.

Faults: Curly, wavy, or sparse coat.

Disqualification: Long coat.

COLOR
Any color, color pattern, or combination of colors is acceptable, except for merle.

Disqualification: Merle

HEIGHT AND WEIGHT
The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.

Very Serious Fault: Excessively large or overly massive dogs.

GAIT
The American Pit Bull Terrier moves with a jaunty, confident attitude, conveying the impression that he expects any minute to see something new and exciting. When trotting, the gait is effortless, smooth, powerful, and well coordinated, showing good reach in front and drive behind. When moving, the backline remains level with only a slight flexing to indicate suppleness. Viewed from any position, legs turn neither in nor out, nor do feet cross or interfere with each other. As speed increases, feet tend to converge toward center line of balance.

Faults: Legs not moving on the same plane; legs over reaching; legs crossing over in front or rear; rear legs moving too close or touching; rolling; pacing; paddling; sidewinding; hackney action; pounding.

DISQUALIFICATIONS
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Unilateral or bilateral deafness. Long coat. Bobbed tail. Albinism. Merle.

Note: Although some level of dog aggression is characteristic of this breed, handlers will be expected to comply with UKC policy regarding dog temperament at UKC events.
 
seangtat2kc;2331166; said:
Looks like a 100% pure pit bull. Oh ya wait it is a 100% pure pitbull. I was there when he was born. I still take him to see his parents every so often. Jealousy... it's like when the guy batting next to you is hitting home runs all the time when you can't hit the ball out of the infield. You scream that he is on steroids instead of just admitting that he is naturally better then you. Oh and I have no problem with pup mixes. Dottie (the white one) I adopted from a shelter at 3 month's old and they said she might have American bull dog mixed in her. Just don't want people trying to sound so knowledgeable on a tropic, when ovbously they are wrong. No hard feelings and I don't mean to come off as an ass, just stating the facts.

"Jealousy... it's like when the guy batting next to you is hitting home runs all the time when you can't hit the ball out of the infield. You scream that he is on steroids instead of just admitting that he is naturally better then you."

calm down SLUGGER! were not calling you a lier were stating our opinion. and because you saw him be born it makes him a APBT? :screwy:

going...going..Gone!!:ROFL:
 
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