Pond Prime is identical to Prime?

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vfc;4876782; said:
They are taking care of that problem. Last year I paid $34.39 for a 2L bottle of PP. This year I paid $42.99 (both times from F&S Aquatics).
I believe, even with the higher price, that is one dollar cheaper than a bottle of Prime. 2L Pond Prime treats 40,000 gallons, and 2L Prime treats 20,000.
 
http://www.seachem.com/support/forums/showthread.php?t=319

the seachem reply in that post was
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They are the exact same product and concentration. The dosage for a pond is less because a pond has more surface area that can gas off some chlorine. If you use the Pond Prime for an aquarium please use the normal aquarium Prime's dosage directions.
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I've been using pond prime, without any ill effects. Works well and cheaper. I actually got it on clearance less than $10 a jug from a store that was getting rid of their pond stuff.
 
hsd;4883801; said:
http://www.seachem.com/support/forums/showthread.php?t=319

the seachem reply in that post was

'They are the exact same product and concentration. The dosage for a pond is less because a pond has more surface area that can gas off some chlorine. If you use the Pond Prime for an aquarium please use the normal aquarium Prime's dosage directions.

Their response contradicts their own information on their own products on their own website, I think they need to make up their minds. It also contradicts the response I got from a shop who emailed seachem to see if they could market it differently on ebay but the reply stated "they are different products".

These are pulled directly from seachems explainations of pond and aquarium prime:

a) Pond prime:"A 500 mL bottle treats over 10,000 US gallons, much more than competing products."

b) Aquarium prime:"A single 100 mL bottle will treat 1000 US gallons of tap water." (this means 500ml would treat 5000 US gallons)

The numbers do not add up to them being the same product at the same concentration. If they were the same product at the same concentration then a 500ml bottle of regular prime would treat 10,000 US gallons as well.
 
cichlid2006;4887618; said:
Their response contradicts their own information on their own products on their own website, I think they need to make up their minds. It also contradicts the response I got from a shop who emailed seachem to see if they could market it differently on ebay but the reply stated "they are different products".

These are pulled directly from seachems explainations of pond and aquarium prime:

a) Pond prime:"A 500 mL bottle treats over 10,000 US gallons, much more than competing products."

b) Aquarium prime:"A single 100 mL bottle will treat 1000 US gallons of tap water." (this means 500ml would treat 5000 US gallons)

The numbers do not add up to them being the same product at the same concentration. If they were the same product at the same concentration then a 500ml bottle of regular prime would treat 10,000 US gallons as well.

it's not a contradiction if you take into consideration what the tech said on their forum: "The dosage for a pond is less because a pond has more surface area that can gas off some chlorine".

chlorine in a pond will dissipate faster than in an aquarium because a pond has a higher ratio of surface area to volume than an aquarium; therefore, less prime is required to treat a pond than an aquarium of equal volume.
 
ScatMan;4889813; said:
it's not a contradiction if you take into consideration what the tech said on their forum: "The dosage for a pond is less because a pond has more surface area that can gas off some chlorine".

chlorine in a pond will dissipate faster than in an aquarium because a pond has a higher ratio of surface area to volume than an aquarium; therefore, less prime is required to treat a pond than an aquarium of equal volume.
However, you have to take into consideration the varying designs of ponds in general. It's possible to have a pond with the same foot print, same surface area, and same volume as a 100 gallon tank. So, if you have this size pond, and dose only half as much Pond Prime, than you would regular Prime, would your fish be in danger? What matters is the amount of chemical available to bond to the chlorine/chloramine in the water. Either it's twice as concentrated, or it's not. If it has the same amount of de-chlorinating chemical in it, then it's not going to be sufficient regardless of increased surface area.
 
Laticauda;4890492; said:
However, you have to take into consideration the varying designs of ponds in general. It's possible to have a pond with the same foot print, same surface area, and same volume as a 100 gallon tank.

i agree that it is possible and should be a consideration, but it's also highly unlikely. in fact, i can't recall ever seeing or hearing about a pond with a surface area to volume ratio equivalent to a standard aquarium.

Laticauda;4890492; said:
So, if you have this size pond, and dose only half as much Pond Prime, than you would regular Prime, would your fish be in danger?

it's very possible and i wouldn't recommend it. i should mention that i WAS using pond prime at half dose in my aquariums with no ill effects; i was under the assumption that pond prime was twice as concentrated as regular prime.

Laticauda;4890492; said:
What matters is the amount of chemical available to bond to the chlorine/chloramine in the water. Either it's twice as concentrated, or it's not. If it has the same amount of de-chlorinating chemical in it, then it's not going to be sufficient regardless of increased surface area.

chlorine will dissipate out of the water when exposed to air. the greater exposure to air dechlorinates along side the prime, therefore less prime is needed to dechlorinate the same volume of water in the same amount of time.

chloramine however, does not evaporate or dissipate. perhaps there is more than enough chloramine removing chemical in prime that even a half dose (such as for pond prime) is adequate to remove all the chloramine in tap water. i don't know that for a fact, i'm only speculating. this is a good question for seachem. my tap has chlorine, so it's not a concern for me.
 
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