Pondering ID of this NJ River fish

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Bottomfeeder;2666867; said:
not everyones an expert, and no one posted wrong id on purpose



but yeah its a green sunfish

Oh I know that people are not trying to intentionally mislead the author of these topics (or it's readers) but providing false information has the very same result and therefore is bad. People come to learn and saying that you're certain some is what it is not only creates a mess for those eager to learn (notice I didn't say eager to post).

Please try and look at this from my standpoint.....at least half of all of the fish up for an ID request are green sunfish and every single time a whole mess of people are certain it's anything but a green sunfish. I guess I'd love it if people that don't know what they're looking at would just sit back and learn. It would further help if the author of the ID request would search a little first. You will see a lot of green sunfish in your lives folks...learn them;)
 
holy cow. bluegill?! have you ever seen one in comparison to this fish?! green sunny fo sho! nice one at that. they seem to be the meanest of all the sunnies i have kept. do pretty well in warmer water. can be kept with larger more aggressive cichlids. nice catch! enjoy!
 
Bottomfeeder;2666867; said:
not everyones an expert, and no one posted wrong id on purpose



but yeah its a green sunfish

Green sunfish have to be among the most easy of sunfishes to identify; hell, their among the easiest of native fishes to identify. When someone posts a picture of a green sunfish and a dozen people say its a bluegill that only spreads misinformation. Now someone who reads this thread may say "oh, that's what a bluegill looks like" and ID a fish for someone else only spreading misinformation further. It's alright if you don't know what a fish is but I know whenever I look at an ID thread I don't respond unless I'm fairly positive I know what I'm looking at and I think others should do the same.
Personally I think the biggest problem is the use of common names, most of the people who venture into this forum are fishermen who have likely been taught that some fish are something other than what they actually are. Around here there are two kind of sunfishes; bluegills and sunfish. Of course the fish that locals call "sunfish" are actually pumpkinseeds but if you try to tell them that their sunfish is a pumpkinseed and that both pumpkinseed and bluegill are sunfish then they'll just look at you like you're from another planet. For a real fun time try to tell them that largemouth bass are also sunfish! I remember once I was collecting on the shore of a nearby lake and some fishermen came by asking if I caught any stonecats, I told them no, that I had only caught some sculpins. I showed them the sculpins and they said "oh, those are stone cats". I didn't argue with them. Anyway my point is that the people IDing some of these fishes may know the difference between Lepomis macrochirus (bluegill) and L. cyanellus but have their common names backwards or mixed up in some way and IMO those sort of misidentifications are more forgivable. That said I don't think we need to start IDing with scientific names only, if you look at any book concerning natives or most reputable web sites the common names are pretty much used universally. There is no reason to call a green sunfish a bluegill.
 
sandtiger;2667077; said:
Green sunfish have to be among the most easy of sunfishes to identify; hell, their among the easiest of native fishes to identify. When someone posts a picture of a green sunfish and a dozen people say its a bluegill that only spreads misinformation. Now someone who reads this thread may say "oh, that's what a bluegill looks like" and ID a fish for someone else only spreading misinformation further. It's alright if you don't know what a fish is but I know whenever I look at an ID thread I don't respond unless I'm fairly positive I know what I'm looking at and I think others should do the same.
Personally I think the biggest problem is the use of common names, most of the people who venture into this forum are fishermen who have likely been taught that some fish are something other than what they actually are. Around here there are two kind of sunfishes; bluegills and sunfish. Of course the fish that locals call "sunfish" are actually pumpkinseeds but if you try to tell them that their sunfish is a pumpkinseed and that both pumpkinseed and bluegill are sunfish then they'll just look at you like you're from another planet. For a real fun time try to tell them that largemouth bass are also sunfish! I remember once I was collecting on the shore of a nearby lake and some fishermen came by asking if I caught any stonecats, I told them no, that I had only caught some sculpins. I showed them the sculpins and they said "oh, those are stone cats". I didn't argue with them. Anyway my point is that the people IDing some of these fishes may know the difference between Lepomis macrochirus (bluegill) and L. cyanellus but have their common names backwards or mixed up in some way and IMO those sort of misidentifications are more forgivable. That said I don't think we need to start IDing with scientific names only, if you look at any book concerning natives or most reputable web sites the common names are pretty much used universally. There is no reason to call a green sunfish a bluegill.
you make a very good point. you could find a washed out and dried fish on a bank and if it was a green you would know. but many people have not seen green sunfish; they are not found very much outside native range other than florida because they dont get as big as bluegills so are not introduced as a game fish.
im not trying to start something here...just get a point across:)
 
Bottomfeeder;2667160; said:
you make a very good point. you could find a washed out and dried fish on a bank and if it was a green you would know. :)

Right there is a great reason why color is not a reliable ID tool. I have a book called "Fishes of the Great Lakes Region", the book is full of photographs but they're all B&W...you don't need color to ID a fish.
 
Bottomfeeder;2667160; said:
you make a very good point. you could find a washed out and dried fish on a bank and if it was a green you would know. but many people have not seen green sunfish; they are not found very much outside native range other than florida because they dont get as big as bluegills so are not introduced as a game fish.
im not trying to start something here...just get a point across:)
Actually the green are just common as bluegill and since when they become native in Florida? The green sunfish is also native to Minnesota. The green sunfish is also important gamefish as they are often involved in greengill (bluegill x green hybrid) and become popular hybrid gamefish. Green sunfish do get big as bluegill, its not uncommon that you find 10 inch long green sunfish once in a while. Im sure many people have seen green sunfish as they are one of common sunfish species.
 
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