"Prong collar" on dogs... any opinions?
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bahamaqt00;4011982; said:
lmao, so a little pain is acceptable. a dog needs to know your a good leader, a good leader doesnt dominate through pain.
if you were really in charge you wouldnt need to use these barbaric tools in the first place. a regular collar, or a choke for stubborn dogs, does just fine if you know how to train a dog.
i see so much rubbish about big dogs needing them, its just an excuse for poor training. its bull, ive seen, know and have known dogs such as newfoundlands, great danes, dog de bourdeux (sp?), rotties, german shepherds, etc, using nothing but a regular lether collar and chain lead.
any trainer worth their price tag will tell you that pinch collars are brutal and unneccessary. its the reason you struggle to find them in the UK shops and all the best trained dogs, police/military/drug/fire/etc, in the UK havent been trained using them.
cichlid2006;4012035; said:
Are you kidding me!? you think a choke collar is better than a prong. Any trainer will tell you that a prong is a better way to go for unruly dogs. If a dog is constantly pulling a choke collar is just going to constantly choke them. They don't release right after you pull on them. A prong collar gives them a quick pinch so they stop pulling for a minute and realize, hey it hurts when I do that. I would love for you to come to my house and try to train my dog with a simple "no" and a normal collar.
have one for my dog. It only hurts if they pull. When i walk him or the parents do, he doesn't wear it. He will listen directly to me or the parents, and will never bark or pull. He listens perfectly.
BUT with the little kids when they walk him he is required to have it on. Just incase he tries to pull a stunt and drags one of the little guys into an oncoming car. It doesn't hurt him, because he is well trained and obidiant. Its only there for saftey.
It only hurts the dog if they pull, which your dog should not pull. If he does your hurting him because he is not properly trained..... What would you do if you dog snapped and pulled you across the street and began to eat your neighbor. With a normal collar that could slip off would you chance that? That big fat check you have to write your neighbor and the putting down of your dog isn't worth it. So don't bash the collar, you can look in the mirror.
BTW my dog is 6'5, 160lbs great dane. Hes a sweetheart and properly trained. He wears his for his saftey and mine. I will walk him without a leash after dark though. People have reasons to use stuff. My dog does not even need a leash or collar, but if he ever attacked a little kid or neighbor and i couldn't get control of him, i would much rather have a pronged collar than someone with a shotgun...
The collar adds about 100 extra pounds for your advantage of holding the dog back.
BUT you shouldn't try to correct a dogs behavior with this collar. The walking should already be trained before using this. That is cruel, and all you people who are against using it, because it would hurt your dog, you need to think about training your dog properly. Its lacking in obedience the department, and your dog should know how to walk without killing itself....
BUT with the little kids when they walk him he is required to have it on. Just incase he tries to pull a stunt and drags one of the little guys into an oncoming car. It doesn't hurt him, because he is well trained and obidiant. Its only there for saftey.
It only hurts the dog if they pull, which your dog should not pull. If he does your hurting him because he is not properly trained..... What would you do if you dog snapped and pulled you across the street and began to eat your neighbor. With a normal collar that could slip off would you chance that? That big fat check you have to write your neighbor and the putting down of your dog isn't worth it. So don't bash the collar, you can look in the mirror.
BTW my dog is 6'5, 160lbs great dane. Hes a sweetheart and properly trained. He wears his for his saftey and mine. I will walk him without a leash after dark though. People have reasons to use stuff. My dog does not even need a leash or collar, but if he ever attacked a little kid or neighbor and i couldn't get control of him, i would much rather have a pronged collar than someone with a shotgun...
The collar adds about 100 extra pounds for your advantage of holding the dog back.
BUT you shouldn't try to correct a dogs behavior with this collar. The walking should already be trained before using this. That is cruel, and all you people who are against using it, because it would hurt your dog, you need to think about training your dog properly. Its lacking in obedience the department, and your dog should know how to walk without killing itself....
if your voice commands do not control your dog adequately then your not in command and your dog isnt adequately trained. its as simple as that. if you look at any dog that is professionally trained or trained using similar techniques then you will notice that the dog listens to every word uttered, if you cant train a dog to do this then you should seek a professional who can. its basic obedience for a dog to do as its told along with good lead practice. fear of pain should not be used as incentive, fear in any quantity produces biters.
its vital a dog listens to you immediately for road safety or should they decide to harrass a stranger.
its vital a dog listens to you immediately for road safety or should they decide to harrass a stranger.
cichlid2006;4012075; said:
My dog listens to every word and isn't bothered by a dog walking write beside him.
Though my cousin that was attacked and killed by a "trained" dog that never hurt a fly was the cause of a collar slipping off... There are uses for everything in the world sir.
right now your claiming to be the dog whisperer. What happens one day when your dogs brain splits or it has a moment on insanity and decides to attack someone, and the collar slips right off.... Hes going to tell you not to walk him right? lol
You don't know what can happen. Before you know it your having to stab your own dog as he is ripping through someones flesh and cracking their bones.
When you cold have just had the proper tools to control such a lunge from a large dog that could kill a human.
Btw that really didn't happen to my cousin, just to prove a point. It does happen though.
each to his own but this is the reason we own a pronged collar, and i don't find it mean or harmful. I find it very smart. No problem if you don't but i will stab your dog if it attacks me lol.
I wish people would realize there are way better options than a collar that hurts your dog. No dog needs this. A head collar or easy walk harness will give you polite walking results without pain. There are other options out there that are more humane and work well for large dogs.
If you suspect your dog might kill someone then you have a whole nother issue to deal with. A properly fit collar will not just slip off. There are some dogs that have large necks and may have issues with traditional collars. If that is the case they make collars for these types of dogs that work very well. Most greyhounds wear them in fact since they have such a stream line head.
If you suspect your dog might kill someone then you have a whole nother issue to deal with. A properly fit collar will not just slip off. There are some dogs that have large necks and may have issues with traditional collars. If that is the case they make collars for these types of dogs that work very well. Most greyhounds wear them in fact since they have such a stream line head.
ash54876;4012184; said:
I dont think my dog is going to kill anyone. No one does, but i does happen and i don't live in a glass box, just my fish do. I am aware that dogs can snap and kill. They are animals, and precautions need to be taken. I have tried the harness but feel it doesn't give me head and neck control like a pronged collar would. I have never even had my dog pull tight enough with the collar for it to even be used yet. Maybe one day it will happen, i will be ready then.
These days are tight, and money is a big thing. What are you going to do when a kid pets your dog and your big dog accidentally knocks down the little kid and you get charged for it. People are *******s these days and will scrape every penny they can get from you. The pronged collar gives me complete control over his neck and head, to help prevent this. Once again the collar never really gets "used" because he doesn't pull or ever disobey. If properly used they do not, Do Not hurt your dog or cause it any discomfort.
Its like auto insurance, better to be safe than sorry.
TheCanuck;4012103; said:
ive never claimed to be a dog whisperer or anything of the like, i have only trained my own dogs but i know people who professionally train them. the rest of your statement about your "cousin" and bones snapping is just babbling nonesense and proves nothing other than you have quite an imagination. any dog can go nuts, trained by professionals or otherwise. a collar wont prevent this, if anything is going to go then only a large counterweight on the end of the lead will.
i only state that thousands of german shepherds have been trained for show by my family and thousands, amongst other breeds, for police and the like. all done without these types of collars. even people i know with giant breed dogs have been trained without these collars. pain shouldnt be used as a control mechanism or teaching aid, i find it a bit shocking the ones who think that inflicting a bit of pain for training is ok.
i find it strange that a pinch collar is some how the magical anti-slipping collar. no collar is slip proof. if anything a thick buckle type that is securely fastened is far more secure than a collar that is essentially loose until its pulled on.
bahamaqt00;4012053; said:
/agreed w/you and scotty. Choke collars do exactly that, they choke. They cut off your dogs air supply and you will kill your dog. The normal belt collar will slip right off your dogs head if he chooses to bolt after another animal. The prong is an obedience collar applying pressure evenly arround the neck, not suffocating and, not to be worn all the time. A dog will learn the sit, stay, heal, down commands a lot faster with the proper equipment. Any aquarium owner knows proper equipment works better/faster. And for all the "free to be'ers", whom I doubt you own a dog, re-read this sentence," I would love for you to come to my house and try to train my dog with a simple "no" and a normal collar." So true.
